GlobalSmiles

I hope you are wrong though, and I think our soldiers basically are already there as bradybastian points out in his posts. I think many liberals and conservatives around the world could come to agreement but it would be more like an IMF thing then a UN thing, with so much talk the UN is basically incapable of getting consensus. I think its the major mistake we made with Iraq it was a dead dictatorship at the point of invasion, but we didn't argue it from the right PoV at all.

I really fear Obama's foreign policies naturally but being president isn't a natural thing. I think others will probably do a fine job balancing. That said he is the most liberal senator in the senate atm. Its funny to go from Bush straight to Obama, it really shows the duality of the US.

I'm probably abstaining from the presidential election as a whole or voting libertarian for symbolic reasons.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

The facts show that I am right and no country, not even our more enlightened Canadian and European friends, fight on the basis of altruism, but fight on the basis of self-interest.

* Genocide in Sudan continues

* The Rwandan genocide was allowed to occur for a month

* The Burmese junta was allowed to brutally suppress the protests by their monks, they still do not allow relief into that country, despite more than 100,000 being killed by tsunami's

* Zimbabwe jailed the opposition groups after the President lost the election

* Israel continues to build new settlements in Palestine and take more of their land. They remain in full posession of Jerusalem, even though this is against international law


As for voting, you should always vote, even if you have to find some kind of 3rd party by looking on the internet to vote for.

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emptypepsi

W.E.B. just nailed it. I am voting for Obama, but I would rather someone participate for an independent than not vote at all. I voted third party in 2004 because I was not satisfied with Bush and Kerry. FRY mentioned the Libertarian Party candidate, I know that Ralph Nader is named as well for independents, and Chuck Baldwin is the Consitution Party candidate. I would research these guys, at least.

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GlobalSmiles

I would say that in all of those cases the will of actually removing the problems is not transferable to action in any way. The UN just cannot function in a such a way to get action going. Altruism was Kosovo and Somalia, so imo its there, its about building the will and then getting that into action. None of which is easy but thats kind of the speeches point.

Yea I mean I'm still going to the poles, but there really isn't a presidential candidate that I can get behind atm, I've looked into them. Its just easier to ignore the flaws of senators d congressmen the presidents.

Svante

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if you vote for Mccain this are like voteing for Bush becuase o f Irak politique and economie. Obama he will make gouverenment better and h e will be good leader o f free world.

Taliesin

I'm voting Obama (surprise), and it's my intention to convince as many others as I can to do so, especially since I'm in what is being considered a swing state this election.

This in one of my favorite Obama youth movement stories:

"Not all parents have been overjoyed to see their children donate countless unpaid hours to Mr. Obama. Bader ElShareif, 52, who immigrated from Gaza 31 years ago, was appalled that his daughter Ami, 20, a student at the University of Wisconsin, worked almost seven days a week last summer in Chicago for the candidate. Mr. ElShareif, who was leaning toward Senator John McCain, was annoyed that she did not have a salaried job to defray college expenses.

“I’d be exhausted, but I’d still want to debate with him,” Ms. ElShareif said. “Then he’d start calling me up and saying, ‘Hey, did you hear this about Obama? So and so endorsed him!’ ”

In the Illinois primary, Mr. ElShareif voted for Mr. Obama. His daughter, thrilled, sent him an Obama sign, which he displays in his convenience store near the University of Chicago.

“The neighbors and the students come in now and say, ‘We like your sign,’ ” Mr. ElShareif said. “Maybe these young people know something we don’t.”" (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/us...gewanted=print)

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LiveUninhibited

Healthcare is an issue I follow relatively closely, but I haven't seen a detailed plan from either Obama or Clinton. Do you have a source that details their plans? I concur that if their plan has something to do with forcing people to buy private insurance, then I'd oppose that.

I'd be disappointed if his plan was some federal clone of the Mass. Plan, but I'd still vote for Obama in the general election for other reasons.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Your argument has no meaning, substance or integrity. You say that we will stop genocide, but when it comes time to stop genocide you throw up a bunch of nonsensical verbiage "the will of actually removing the problems is not transferable to action in any way", which essentially means that we will not stop genocide. Your position is to say we will stop genocide, while in reality not stopping genocide, which is exactly what Clinton did as the Rwandan genocide occurred.

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pug_ster

I doubt both candidates will do anything with healthcare. At this point, if either one of the candidates are willing to give me money, I'll vote for that person.

swialiberal

Hmmm......isn't it obvious?

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