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Old 05-14-2008, 11:19 AM
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I'm tired of hearing about the race card in this election. The Obama team knows how to use it really well. Especially Michelle Obama.

It is funny how it is bad now to say that recent polls show that "whites" don't trust Obama. These are facts and has nothing to do with being racist. That's what polls are for, to gather numbers and information about different voting groups.
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:31 AM
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It seems to me that we are in just the initial stages of seeing race,and charges of racism,as the primary tact of the Obama camp.
Anything remotely critical of the Illinois senator is declared "racist',at least in one article,somewhere,on a daily basis.
That the Clinton's,who have pandered to,relied on,and MANIPULATED the black vote for decades,are now,suddenly exposed as "racist",is comical. The more such claims are bandied about so frivolously,the less Americans care to hear them.
The biggest known racist exposed in this election is,by far, Jeremiah Wright; yet,somehow, his blatantly racist positions have been affectively dismissed,with Bizarro World portrayals of Wright as "the victim" ,for being called on the carpet for his remarks.
Americans,are, by and large, tired of this asinine double standard,and if the Obama camp thinks that trying to brand their opposition as "racist", for simply opposing him,is their "Ace in the Hole",they'd better rethink it. It will more likely be their Albatross.
No, it seems like good old conservative politics as usual. Defend racism and attack people who object to racism.

This is blatant racism:

"He's a half-breed and he's a Muslim. How can you trust that?"

"Hang that darky from a tree!"

"The first person I encountered was like, 'I'll never vote for a black person,"


Yet, of course you imply that it's not. Should people assume that you agree with this? If not, then why not just openly say so?
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:34 AM
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I'm tired of hearing about the race card in this election. The Obama team knows how to use it really well. Especially Michelle Obama.

It is funny how it is bad now to say that recent polls show that "whites" don't trust Obama. These are facts and has nothing to do with being racist. That's what polls are for, to gather numbers and information about different voting groups.
Well again, your remarks are highly partisan. I don't believe you when you say you are tired about hearing about the race card in this election. I believe that you would be fine with the race card, so long as Clinton is the one playing with it. Your position is merely pro-Clinton/anti-Obama. I don't see any other consistent support for any principles in your comments.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:19 PM
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Well again, your remarks are highly partisan. I don't believe you when you say you are tired about hearing about the race card in this election. I believe that you would be fine with the race card, so long as Clinton is the one playing with it. Your position is merely pro-Clinton/anti-Obama. I don't see any other consistent support for any principles in your comments.
It has nothing to do with being a Pro-Clinton person. I do find it ridiculous how they can say, that they can carry the white vote and black vote,but when Hillary points out the fact that she can carry the blue collar white vote, everyone jumps on her and say that she's racist. She's only pointing out what exit polls have shown in every primary.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:21 PM
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I can't reply because the way you word it is no different than asking me if I have stopped beating my kids yet? The way the question is posed is exactly the problem, it can only be racism and nothing else.
Well hack, if your kids have been treated 43 times at the local emegency room for cuts and bruises that allegedly resulted from them falling out of their tree house and I do a quick drive by of your place and see that you don't have a tree house then maybe the question isn't so inapproprate after all.
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No, it seems like good old conservative politics as usual. Defend racism and attack people who object to racism.

This is blatant racism:

"He's a half-breed and he's a Muslim. How can you trust that?"

"Hang that darky from a tree!"

"The first person I encountered was like, 'I'll never vote for a black person,"


Yet, of course you imply that it's not. Should people assume that you agree with this? If not, then why not just openly say so?
I think this shows that racism is not a factor in this election. If out of hundreds of millions of Americans all they come up with is a handful of racist remarks, this is minuscule to the point of non-existence.

Especially, in contrast to sexism, where many men and women say a woman's place is not as head-of-house or leader-of-country. In fact, Many religions are based on this premise.

Obama has a free ride in comparison to Hillary. Although, conservatives don't want either one of them.
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It has nothing to do with being a Pro-Clinton person. I do find it ridiculous how they can say, that they can carry the white vote and black vote,but when Hillary points out the fact that she can carry the blue collar white vote, everyone jumps on her and say that she's racist. She's only pointing out what exit polls have shown in every primary.
I don't see how Obama saying that he can carry both races is ridiculous. Obama takes the race blind approach, and Clinton takes the anti-black approach and you find Obama's higher standard "ridiculous." That is what makes no sense.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:29 PM
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I think this shows that racism is not a factor in this election. If out of hundreds of millions of Americans all they come up with is a handful of racist remarks, this is minuscule to the point of non-existence.
"Hundreds of millions of Americans" do not vote. The state of West Virginia does not contain hundreds of millions of people. Only about 200,000 voted. Also, the article did not say that it contained every racist remark ever uttered to an Obama supporter. Those are the premises of your argument, and since they are flawed, so is your conclusion of this being "minuscule" also flawed.
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"Hundreds of millions of Americans" do not vote. The state of West Virginia does not contain hundreds of millions of people. Only about 200,000 voted. Also, the article did not say that it contained every racist remark ever uttered to an Obama supporter. Those are the premises of your argument, and since they are flawed, so is your conclusion of this being "minuscule" also flawed.
I didn't read the article; you got me. So I decided to read it and see if it is valid. As I suspected, it wasn't able to provide evidence to support the claim made by the author. Here are some points:

1. The article doesn't mention voters, just people on the street, homes, or wherever. This is from when you told me of the number of voters there, but that's not what the article is about.

2. From article: "The first person I encountered was like, 'I'll never vote for a black person,' " recalled Ross, who is white and just turned 20. "People just weren't receptive."

Ross says the person said something other than what is in the quote, but it was "like" it. OK, that could be interpreted differently, but people should learn to talk.

3. All is hearsay. Why is there no recordings? Video?

4. It is in Obama campaign staffers best interest to claim such racist bias toward Obama even if it is not true.

5. The vandalism described in the article is not racism, but anger at Wright and the Hamas' endorsement.

Looking at the evidence provided, I would say that if I was the editor, I'd tell the writer to try the whole thing over again.
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So I am to understand that racism is not a Republican only issue? There are people admitting that there are racist Democrats? After all the damage Democratic policies have done to the minority groups they claimed to be fighting for, it takes Clinton supporters to finally point it out. It has been obvious to many of us for years.
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