Actually, I see something much more troubling than Threshold's comments and that is you actually believing this bullshit.

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Sam

If you intend to make a random claim Sam, at least offer some semblance of support. I can understand why you didn't in this case, however. None exists.

If you believe it to be bullshit, give a reason. I refuse to debate a topic with anyone who just shouts random words with negative connotations. An arguement without support is not an arguement. And by the way, thanks for once again ridiculing the belief that we can change our country for the better. My faith in the intelligence of the average America continues to decline.

I repeat, wow, such an unenlightened group.

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I'd just like to point out 2 points that were made here and when you read them, they kind of make you go.....hmmmmmmmm sounds like the same old story to me; just a new name who learned the game quickly and didn't need a lifetime in DC

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I'm not sure that I understand you notahack. Your criticism is that because Obama asked his preacher to not get involved in politics, he is just another corrupt politician? How does that make sense? Have we become so accustomed to corruption in politics that we will jump on anything at all as "proof" of such?

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You know something, you are probably right and doesn't that stink? if the above didn't ring with truth how in the heck could HillBilly still be in the race???? (sorry Clinton supporters)

Anyway, to the point about Obs. Yep, if he wasn't playing the tired old politics game then he could care less if Wright wanted to go and rant and rave. We've watched Obs become handled and polished right before our eyes and in essence, despite what he says about "change", he is one of them.

If "change" ultimately means just getting somebody that we all can look back and say "who the Hell is he" then yeh, Oprahma is your guy.

Me, I'd just like to see someone who would just get the damn house and senate out of constant gridlock and to actually earn their pay and represent the constituents. With a record of voting with his party 97% of the time, that is one problem I want to see changed and Obs isn't the guy for that.

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Well I can't prove you wrong in this case as that is your interpretation of the events.

I prefer to believe that Obama denounced his pastor because he genuinely didn't agree with the hatred that Wright espoused. I doubt that Obama secretly agreed with Wright and only denounced him to save political face as Wright (and apparently you as well) believe.

I don't understand what you are trying to say there.

As for this liberal voting record, I have a number of counterarguements:

1) Obama has been in the Senate for just over 3 years. Any scientist will explain to you that sampling error is a real problem when enough data is not present.

2) Much of the legislation introduced in this 3 year period was a way for the new Democratic Congress to test it's strength against Bush. So much of the legislation was pretty much pro or contra Bush.

3) While Obama was ranked the 10th most liberal Senator in the 2007 study that many people often cite, Hillary was ranked 16th. Big difference?

4) Obama has a lot of experience working across the aisle for someone who has only been in the Senate for 3 years. He cosponsored an immigration reform bill with John McCain. He cosponsored a bill with Dick Luger, a Republican Senator, for conventional weapons control. He cosponsored a transparency bill with Tom Coburn, a Republican Senator.

5) According to another study, Obama is one of the most conservative Democrats in the Senate. Election 2008: Presidential, Senate and House Races Updated Daily

6) What makes you think Clinton or McCain will have any more success uniting Congress than Obama?

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"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
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Well.....He is black....That would definitely be a change....

There is plenty. Go to his campaign Web site and read about all of his Marxist wealth redistribution programs for not only this country, but for the whole world.

You're right. It's not an arguement. It's an argument.

Barack Obama is no different than any of the other hundreds that have run for the White House before him. Every election year they are out there kissing babies with promises of changing the world and as time goes on the government gets more and more intrusive, corrupt, and incompetent. It won't be any different whether he is in the White House or McCain or if Clinton manages to pull something out of her sleeve. Everything will still be the same, including people like you who are gullible enough to fall for this garbage every four years as America continues on its downward spiral just like the Romans a thousand years before us.

If you want to be enlightened, stop following the herd.

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Sam

In other words, you have no idea other than what your cynicism tells you, what Obama is all about.

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I reject your reality and substitute my own.

You say Marxist wealth redistribution, I say welfare. I don't see any problem with ensuring that our streets aren't filled with the starved corpses of America's homeless population. It's really comical how you conservatives rebound back and forth between "Barack Obama is a rich Democrat who is out of touch with the working class" to "look at this man, he wants to take all the money away from everyone and give it to the working class".

By "for the whole world", I assume that you mean the forign aid that America has given to the world's destitute since...forever? If you want to call Obama a Marxist for giving out forign aid, then Bush is a Marxist too.

Oh my! I made a single spelling mistake! I suppose my entire argument just goes to hell doesn't it? I mean honestly, is this really going to descend to nitpicking like that? So sue me; I don't feel like using Microsoft Word to spell and grammer check everything I write like some.

You've become cynical to the point where any argument that I make will just fall on deaf ears. The only thing that may change your opinion would be if Barack Obama does turn out to be the breath of fresh air that I and millions like me believe him to be. Even if he does, you will probably only see his faults. You believe the worst in people. You said yourself that anyone elected to the Presidency will just be another fraud. There is really nothing that I have left to say except that I hope you change your outlook on humanity someday.

So tell me, how does one stop following the herd? Anytime one supports the majority opinion, he or she is supposedly part of the herd. Does this mean that despite the fact that I agree with nearly all of Obama's policies, the only way that I can "think for myself" is to support someone who isn't winning? I should start supporting Clinton. Then I won't be part of the herd any more. But what if she starts winning? I should change my support back to Obama. You are rediculous; you tell me to follow my own opinions and at the same time say that I can't support the man who most fits my opinions. Being a part of the majority does not mean that you have no opinions of your own or that you are brainwashed.

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