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05-09-2008, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by decisons_are_mine
I think anybody can beat Mccain. The country does not want another republican in the white house so I believe any democrat will win the election.
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This "countryman" does not want a liberal in the White House and I share those feelings with my friends and colleagues so I guess there is just a "small segment" out here that does not share those feelings.
We've had a liberal congress and they've made what better???????????????
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05-09-2008, 08:10 AM
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McCain's goal is to be positive as well, stop making gaffes(he recently forgot that Czechoslovakia doesn't exist anymore), and flesh out his domestic policy proposals, which currently range from poorly thought out to incomplete. He really doesn't seem to have a platform as of yet.
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I used to be pretty fond of McCain, but seriously the guy is starting to scare me. I really thought he'd be the one when it comes to foreign policy expertise, but gosh he seems more shaky when it comes to foreign policy stuff than myself. From talking about Al Qaeda when he in fact should have said "shiite extremists", to calling Putin the president of Germany and now talking about a state that seized to exist 15 years ago. What's next?
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05-09-2008, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by AzTeK
I used to be pretty fond of McCain, but seriously the guy is starting to scare me. I really thought he'd be the one when it comes to foreign policy expertise, but gosh he seems more shaky when it comes to foreign policy stuff than myself. From talking about Al Qaeda when he in fact should have said "shiite extremists", to calling Putin the president of Germany and now talking about a state that seized to exist 15 years ago. What's next?
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Heck, I'm no Oprahma or HillBilly supporter but just McCain's age bothers me. I know that age discrimination is against the law but his age really is an issue.
Also, regardless of the outcome, The Keating five issue and McCain still lingers in my mind along with the saying..if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..........
And no, Ron Paul isn't an option for me so I will probably lean toward McCain if his VP choice is a person that I feel could be a good president.
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05-09-2008, 02:29 PM
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Obama certainly is capable of beating McCain, but I don't think he will. If McCain wins more Hispanics, working class whites, and Jews than Bush did, he'll win the election handily. And these are groups that McCain is strong with while Obama is weak.
I also think McCain is a harder candidate to attack and Obama is really bad at negative campaigning. Howard Dean is worse, so Obama will get no help from the DNC.
Obama wins if he inspires. If he has to go negative or is constantly on the defensive, he'll lose.
McCain's goal is to be positive as well, stop making gaffes(he recently forgot that Czechoslovakia doesn't exist anymore), and flesh out his domestic policy proposals, which currently range from poorly thought out to incomplete. He really doesn't seem to have a platform as of yet.
VP selections will be unusually important this cycle, since Mccain is old and Obama is inexperienced.
The debates will also be more important than usual.
Then of course there's the general situation of the country and the world. If the economy doesn't go into recession and looks strong heading into the fall, that helps McCain. If Iraq continues to progress, that helps McCain. If things go to hell all around, that helps Obama.
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05-10-2008, 12:09 AM
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I used to be pretty fond of McCain, but seriously the guy is starting to scare me. I really thought he'd be the one when it comes to foreign policy expertise, but gosh he seems more shaky when it comes to foreign policy stuff than myself. From talking about Al Qaeda when he in fact should have said "shiite extremists", to calling Putin the president of Germany and now talking about a state that seized to exist 15 years ago. What's next?
McCain is an expert on military policy, not so much foreign policy.
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05-10-2008, 01:26 AM
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This shouldn't but much of a competetive election. Look at Obama's two main weaknesses, a controversial preacher and his minor connections to some people who are on trial. McCain has those same two problems as well as a slew of others.
First, he is starting to show hints of an aging mind in the examples that francois listed. Age is going to be a major hurdle for his candidacy.
Seconds, he has far too many close connections to Bush. That image of the two shaking hands after Bush endorsed him was pure gold for the Democrats. McCain is already being billed as Bush 2.0.
Third, he supports the Iraq War with all his being. Other than Vietnam, the Iraq War is the most unpopular in American history. Obama has already begun calling the Iraq War the Bush-McCain War.
Fourth, while he was at first mistrusted by conservatives, he has quickly bowed to their demands and alienated his moderate base. I origionally liked McCain to a certain degree, but he's managed to sell out his beliefs in a matter of months. He went from rouge to stooge in a heartbeat.
Meanwhile, Barack Obama is such a popular figure that he is drawing record numbers of young people and blacks into the voting booth. These are two groups of voters that are routinely ignored by politicians as they historically have low voter turnouts. Watch for Obama to win 95%+ of black voters in November and 85%+ of voters 18-21. While this is probably not surprising to anyone who has followed the Democratic Primaries in the smallest degree, Obama's biggest worry in November will be what Hillary does this summer and possibly fall.
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05-10-2008, 02:41 AM
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If you thought that Hillary used the kichen sink strategy on Obama, then just wait and see what the right wingers will do with him. Hillary was being held back by the party not to say certain things. The right wingers will play no holds bar...They're already talking about it on the news...
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05-10-2008, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by calidem411
If you thought that Hillary used the kichen sink strategy on Obama, then just wait and see what the right wingers will do with him. Hillary was being held back by the party not to say certain things. The right wingers will play no holds bar...They're already talking about it on the news...
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Not surprising, everyone knows of the dirty politics the rightwingers use. I couldn't make a statement about the average Americans, but I would simply ignore their bigotry. With Hillary, considering they'r "on the same team", the accusations, atleast in theory, had more substance. The rightwing kitchen sink stuff only appeals to people that wouldn't have voted for Obama anyways.
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05-10-2008, 07:55 AM
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First, he is starting to show hints of an aging mind in the examples that francois listed. Age is going to be a major hurdle for his candidacy.
It's not age, it's failure to do his homework. He was like this in 2000 as well, but got much better later in the campaign. I think that after the convention, when it really matters, he'll be on.
Meanwhile, Barack Obama is such a popular figure that he is drawing record numbers of young people and blacks into the voting booth
The love for Obama is not based on policy, but a personality cult. Once Americans realize he is going to raise their taxes he'll find out what every Democrat who has run promising to raise taxes found out.
Not surprising, everyone knows of the dirty politics the rightwingers use.
Right now, it's the DNC that's the most negative. McCain has actually held back and/or condemned his followers. Obama hasn't.
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05-10-2008, 11:15 AM
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Sure, Obama CAN win (and should). After all a transvestite turnip named Lexxus as long as it is 35 years old and grown in the country SHOULD beat any republican.
Seriously, the American public must suffer from some collective beaten spouse syndrome to even discuss another four years of these debilitating policies.
Sure it can at least conceivably get worse but I'll gladly take a gamblers chance that almost anything we get is better than what we have had the last eight years.
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