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05-08-2008, 10:28 AM
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Bitter, angry, what is the difference?
Okay, maybe Bitter has some other meaning in the states than here, but I had a hard time to understandthe whole Obama bitter thing.
But now, I am even more confused:
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McCain, whose temper has earned him the nickname "Senator Hothead" by more than one publication, said he does get angry about corruption and runaway spending in Washington. "You know something, the American people are angry, too, and they're not going to take it anymore," he said.
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So, if Obama says the people are bitter, it is bad, but when McCain says they are angry, it is okay?
Please explain to me, cause I plain just do not get it.
AH
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05-08-2008, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by africanhope
Okay, maybe Bitter has some other meaning in the states than here, but I had a hard time to understandthe whole Obama bitter thing.
But now, I am even more confused:
So, if Obama says the people are bitter, it is bad, but when McCain says they are angry, it is okay?
Please explain to me, cause I plain just do not get it.
AH
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Its just good old fashioned American politics.
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05-08-2008, 10:55 AM
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I don't think it was the use of the word bitter that caused controversy, but rather that he said they cling to guns and religion. Being closet theocrats, many Americans were offended by the implication that they are religious merely because life is hard. But really, Obama just chose his words poorly in political terms. Hillary tried to claim this meant that Obama has a poor understanding of what is it like to be a blue-collar American, which is somehow important.
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05-08-2008, 04:56 PM
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i didn't get what the big deal was either-it would not have been such a big deal either if hill hadn't added her old politics spit on it-and mccain probably won't remember saying what he did,if mccain keeps up this flip-flopping all us dems have to do is stand by and watch -
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05-08-2008, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by africanhope
Okay, maybe Bitter has some other meaning in the states than here, but I had a hard time to understandthe whole Obama bitter thing.
But now, I am even more confused:
So, if Obama says the people are bitter, it is bad, but when McCain says they are angry, it is okay?
Please explain to me, cause I plain just do not get it.
AH
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There's a huge difference, and it isn't in the difference between "angry" and "bitter". John McCain, in the quote you gave, said that Americans are angry about spending - more or less. Barrack Obama, on the other hand, said that Americans are clinging to guns and religion because they're bitter. What Obama said has been taken as a very insulting comment by many gun owners, and people who are seriously religious.
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05-08-2008, 08:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by africanhope
Okay, maybe Bitter has some other meaning in the states than here, but I had a hard time to understandthe whole Obama bitter thing.
But now, I am even more confused:
So, if Obama says the people are bitter, it is bad, but when McCain says they are angry, it is okay?
Please explain to me, cause I plain just do not get it.
AH
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Obama screwed up badly. "Bitter," is much worse than "angry." Bitter paints the American people as a seething, beaten down population. Angry suggests that Americans are not happy, but are tough and ready to do something about it.
Then Obama went and pissed the majority of Americans off by saying that their ideological beliefs are based on their embittered temperament. The religious, the gun owners, the people who don't want illegal aliens in the country, and people who don't want to vote for Obama, were all offended. The last one because he said something about not liking people that are different than the embittered, and I suspect he meant himself, being possibly the first AM nominee.
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05-09-2008, 04:15 AM
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If he were a republican it would be a "bad screwup," but I think his comments mostly riled up those who wouldn't have supported him anyway, so it's a minor problem.
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"Bitter," is much worse than "angry." Bitter paints the American people as a seething, beaten down population. Angry suggests that Americans are not happy, but are tough and ready to do something about it.
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But he wasn't blaming them for their bitterness, he was saying it was because of an incompetent government. When people lose their homes in a mortgage crisis and other symptoms of economic downturn, sometimes all they have left is their religion. I don't think he was implying this is a bad thing to be blamed on those people.
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Then Obama went and pissed the majority of Americans off by saying that their ideological beliefs are based on their embittered temperament.
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While 56% of Americans (3/4 of republicans, 1/3 of democrats, ~1/2 independents) disagree with Obama's "bitter" statement, 45% consider the comments elitist. To me, this suggests that fewer than 45% were enraged by the statement, though a majority disagree with it. Of course most of them don't really understand what Obama meant by it and only hear a pundit's interpretation of it, which is often politically motivated.
http://http://www.rasmussenreports.c...l_town_america
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