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05-08-2008, 02:33 AM
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Difference Between Hillary Clinton and Ron Paul
I just wrote about how many in the Democratic Party want Hillary Clinton to step out of the race, because she's dividing the party, among other things. Yet, she is nearly neck-in-neck with her foe Barack Obama and I don't think she should step down just yet.
This is far different then Ron Paul, who hasn't come in a close second place. I've written that he should step down because he doesn't have the huge donations or support like the three major candidates.
What do you guys think, should Hillary step down and why?
And more importantly, what do you think the reasons are that Ron Paul isn't beating John McCain or at least close enough to tap him on the shoulder? And no wild, conspiracy theories.
I had a lot of Ron Paul supporters a few weeks back who wanted my head on a silver plate because I wrote the Texas congressman should step out of the race because he wasn't doing that well, among other things.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with many of the things that Ron Paul is saying, but he just doesn't have that backing like McCain has, which has pushed the Arizona senator within fingertip reach of his party's nomination.
Ron Paul is telling it like it is and with so much talk about civil liberties allegedly being taken away and raising taxes and out-of-control spending, you would think more people would be behind him enough that he would have won a good number of states. So why aren't the majority of Americans backing the Texas doctor?
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05-08-2008, 03:02 AM
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Ron Paul is irrelevant, not even worth mentioning in anything but in an abstract discussion about policy, not in a realistic discussion about candidates. Ron Paul has as much merit as a serious candidate as Jim Jones and his cultist followers at Jonestown. Jim Jones had his cult in some ranch, Ron Paul has his cult on the internet.
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05-08-2008, 05:11 AM
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Ron Paul is not throwing low class attacks at McCain on a 24/7 basis like Hillary is doing with Obama. Ron Paul has not set out to damage McCain so that he can clinge the nomination himself, and thus is only marginally if at all hurting McCain and the GOP in general.
With Hillary it's a completely different story. Her strategy is to damage Obama beyond recognition to make him look unelectable, and according to polls it is working. So when Obama gets the nomination, Hillary will have damaged him and with him the party to a point where maybe there won't be enough time to recover before the general election. It's not about Hillary staying in the race - of course she has a right to do so and she also still has a chance to win, eventhough a very slim one. It's that she is trying to tear Obama to pieces and thus significantly weakening her own partys success in the general election, that's the reason why she should drop out.
Ron Paul is doing none of that, so it's completely irrelevant if he goes on or not.
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05-08-2008, 01:46 PM
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Ron Paul is not even campaigning either. He just left his name on the ticket. Ron Paul effectively gave up about a month ago. Aztek is right. None of the Republicans were as disgusting or as pathetic as Hillary. Not even Mitt Romney was as dirty as Clinton. Romney gave it up and has been cozying up to McCain every since he dropped out.
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05-08-2008, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AzTeK
Ron Paul is not throwing low class attacks at McCain on a 24/7 basis like Hillary is doing with Obama. Ron Paul has not set out to damage McCain so that he can clinge the nomination himself, and thus is only marginally if at all hurting McCain and the GOP in general.
With Hillary it's a completely different story. Her strategy is to damage Obama beyond recognition to make him look unelectable, and according to polls it is working. So when Obama gets the nomination, Hillary will have damaged him and with him the party to a point where maybe there won't be enough time to recover before the general election. It's not about Hillary staying in the race - of course she has a right to do so and she also still has a chance to win, eventhough a very slim one. It's that she is trying to tear Obama to pieces and thus significantly weakening her own partys success in the general election, that's the reason why she should drop out.
Ron Paul is doing none of that, so it's completely irrelevant if he goes on or not.
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Hillary hasn’t damaged Obama in the least. When Obama decided to run, he picked up a gun, and he’s been shooting himself in the foot ever since. How can the little things that Hillary said even compare to Wright? Wright is Obama’s spiritual mentor of twenty years, who says Obama is a liar. And on and on. Hillary’s 3:00 phone ad and such was nothing. The kitchen sink wasn’t thrown at him; he threw himself at the kitchen sink.
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05-08-2008, 02:46 PM
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Hillary hasn’t damaged Obama in the least. When Obama decided to run, he picked up a gun, and he’s been shooting himself in the foot ever since. How can the little things that Hillary said even compare to Wright? Wright is Obama’s spiritual mentor of twenty years, who says Obama is a liar. And on and on. Hillary’s 3:00 phone ad and such was nothing. The kitchen sink wasn’t thrown at him; he threw himself at the kitchen sink.
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I couldn't disagree more. Hillary has done everything in her power to make Obama seem unelectable and not ready no lead, and that will come back to haunt him in the general election. Ron Paul never questioned McCains leadership.
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05-08-2008, 03:04 PM
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...Wright is Obama’s spiritual mentor...
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this reeks of faux news. pastor yes, spiritual mentor? just what role did his parents play in this role? not to mention most of his values were established long before he met reverand wright ~ "spiritual mentor" 
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05-08-2008, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Timesobserver
I just wrote about how many in the Democratic Party want Hillary Clinton to step out of the race, because she's dividing the party, among other things. Yet, she is nearly neck-in-neck with her foe Barack Obama and I don't think she should step down just yet.
This is far different then Ron Paul, who hasn't come in a close second place. I've written that he should step down because he doesn't have the huge donations or support like the three major candidates.
What do you guys think, should Hillary step down and why?
And more importantly, what do you think the reasons are that Ron Paul isn't beating John McCain or at least close enough to tap him on the shoulder? And no wild, conspiracy theories.
I had a lot of Ron Paul supporters a few weeks back who wanted my head on a silver plate because I wrote the Texas congressman should step out of the race because he wasn't doing that well, among other things.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with many of the things that Ron Paul is saying, but he just doesn't have that backing like McCain has, which has pushed the Arizona senator within fingertip reach of his party's nomination.
Ron Paul is telling it like it is and with so much talk about civil liberties allegedly being taken away and raising taxes and out-of-control spending, you would think more people would be behind him enough that he would have won a good number of states. So why aren't the majority of Americans backing the Texas doctor?
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The difference is that Ron Paul is standing against all "The Wrong" that
his party has brought to the American Government, and Hillary is "The Wrong"
that her party wants to bring to the American government.
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05-08-2008, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AzTeK
I couldn't disagree more. Hillary has done everything in her power to make Obama seem unelectable and not ready no lead, and that will come back to haunt him in the general election...
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reps can't win, but dems can lose ~ from the outback of new mexico looks like that's what is happening 
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05-08-2008, 04:28 PM
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NoMoreRepsDems, that is a very keen observation on your part about Ron Paul and Hillary Clinton.
However, why aren't the majority of Americans backing him? I thought there would be so much support because of his record and what he stands for.
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