i am somewhat confused. are you saying that those of us who find fault with american foreign policy, and american actions abroad are not patriots...should leave the country?

clearly, many patriotic, well meaning, and knowledgeable americans feel we were attacked not for what we think (as our president claimed), but for what our government does. to me, and others, what bush claimed was an outright lie to the american people at a crucial junction in its history.

I don't believe your claim that you are confused. My comments were crystal clear. Canada is a good home for people who think the US is terrorist. People who believe so, should seek new residence there.

I have my own question: among the people running for President, who do you think should be President?

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Pointing out or stating that some one is biased is not an insult. If some one
said you're wrong is that an insult too?

I said:
"For you to be so biased that you will not consider that the US politicians (that
make international policy) can not do any wrong is really foolish.
"
I can see you saying the use of the word "foolish" is an insult but not biased.
Everyone is biased is some way, it's like saying you have an opinion!

Show me exactly where in my post I said "AMERICA IS TO BLAME FOR THE
9/11"!

That's what you "WANT" to hear, people have said that America has made
terrorist mad at us because our involvement in those countries.
Most involved in 9/11 were Saudi's, but did we do anything to Saudi Arabia?
Bin Laden is Saudi (Public Enemey #1) ? That doesn't smell just a tad bit
fishy to you?.

So if the "government" is doing bad things and We the People make a stand
against the politicians that are doing bad things, does that make us traitors
or hero’s??
Read the declaration of Independence then the Constitution.
You need to step back and consider that, Just because American Politicians
did something, it doesn't make it good! i.e. Lying about WMD's so they could
invade Iraq. Putting the American Taxpayer in $9Trillion of debt!
Should we support that stuff too?

I say America use all the Oil Subsidies and go full throtle on developing
Green energy (Solar, Wind, Electric/hydrogen cars...) and stay away from all
terrorist oil countries !


I think Canada would be a good home for Bush, Cheney and Co. . Better
yet those traitors would be better placed in Dubai, since they helped
financed that city.

I don't care what your justification is. Saying that someone is biased is an insult. It's against the forum rules.

You play by the rules on this forum or you don't play at all. There's plenty of other forums out there that you can join if you don't like these rules. End of discussion.

Ron Paul has said that 9/11 is the US' fault and you said he's right. You haven't come right out and said "America is to blame for the 9/11" however your comments indicate that you believe this:

Ron Paul is being honest about the matter, and I bet he has a little more
political insight about what really is happening. And there's a BIG difference
between saying "The Terrorist are right" and saying "America is being too
intrusive in the Middle East".

Do not tell me what I want. That discusses me and not what I've said.

It seems that Paulists are making a stand against the United States, and not "politicians." This is a democracy. Our foreign policy has been the result of the popular will of the people. The politicians are merely an instrument of our will. Don't try to blame it on the politicians for doing what we want. If you think we deserve 9/11, then come on out and say it.

Traitors can take them along with them, as long as they leave. That's the important thing.


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I was talking about your opinions.

If some one hates you, do you think that you might be responsible in some
way for their hatred? Not that their hatred gives them the right to do harm
to you!
Paul was getting at the fact, that American policy pissed some people off
and those people attacked American.........


Ron Paul's main theme is to bring back the use of the Constitution!!
That is 110% American !!! So how can you come to that conclusion?

First off this "IS NOT A DEMOCRACY"!!!!!!!!
It's a "democratic Republic"
They (Politicians) just have lied to you for so long that you believe their lies.

The "popular will of the people", that's a joke! since when do politicians
care about the popular will of the people?

If Politicians where Truly "Instrument of our will" do you think they would
give us $9Trillion debt? When Gore won the popular vote he lost the election?
Don't you think "We Would Want" less corruption from our politicians???
That hasn't happened yet! I blame politicians for their actions!!

How tin the world can you come to the conclusion that I (or Ron Paul)
think America deserve 9/11??????
You are totally putting words in other peoples mouth!!!!

Not once did I or R.Paul say that the terrorists were justified in their action!!
You can't make stuff up and accuse others of you falsifications !
I have said exactly what I meant to say, and it is not what you ASSUME !
Sorry.



I say a traitor is someone who supports bad, evil & Corrupt politicians when
they are destroying America.

Thus blaming the US for 9/11.

Your responses to my points were mostly rhetoric, not fact or argument. Standard Ron Paul talking points. I maintain that Ron Paul is a traitor and blames the US for 9/11.

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first my response was to your post containing;

and, not to "Canada is a good home for people who think the US is terrorist". now, if what you mean by "the US is terrorist" is the u.s. practices terrorism then i would have to say yes. furthermore, your saying "[p]eople who believe so, should seek new residence there [canada]. is intimidation ~ a form of terrorism;

just as bush saying; "your with us or against us" was intimidation.

i'm still undecided in the outback of new mexico

The pointing out of treason can be labeled with whatever BS label that those who believe in treason wish to place upon it. The proper fate of traitors remains unchanged.

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By the way, CO, if the choice was between Obama, McCain or Ron Paul running a 3rd party ticket, who would you choose?

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Well that is your opinion. I would ask any member of congress what they
think about R.Paul ! I can see them calling him odd but never un-patriotic!
Just the fact that he has stood against the entire GOP and made calls to
bring back the law of the constitution makes him more patriotic than most
people in Washington.

And he's blaming the US Foreign policy (REP&DEM made) That made the
terrorist hate us so much that they attached us! He can blame Switzerland
for the terrorist attacking the US! He can't blame it on Russia.....

Now he's not saying that the Terrorist were justified or right for attacking us.
That's what you're making it sound like. If you take all his ideas together and
not that one snippet, you should realize that he is saying that America can
get away form it's dependency on oil, stay away from volatile oil producing
countries and not be intrusive to countries that don't like us. Then he makes
the point that we have no one to blame but our selves for things we could
have avoided.

And at the end of the day ALL AMERICAN PATRIOTS should question the
leader ship of America when the truly feel that that leadership is bad!
(Guess what, America has had bad leader ship for "DECADES" now)