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Old 05-01-2008, 02:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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1st off-great response priiide---second if you would like to see something in print here from an OBAMA supporter on his platform-i will state a few then if you were to go to his web-sight you can learn more-first off he hasn't taken big money from big lobbiests in washington-so when he is elected president he owes NO favors to these people-so YOUR money does not go into their pockets-it goes into the infrastructure of our country where it belongs-for example-our school system-our welfare system-creating more jobs--second there is no cap on spending in washington right now--if you have seen on the news that there were 3000 credit cards given to elected officials secretarys-they were buying expensive bras and panties-staying in top of the line hotels-lavish dinners-expensive hand-bags and this spending is all on YOUR and MY dime-His plan is to immediately stop this insane spending and filter that money down to the people that actually could use it-okay that is a start-i have to quit writing now because this forum has a way of signing you off if you write to long
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Old 05-01-2008, 03:08 PM   #12 (permalink)
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okay heres more on OBAMAS platform-lets talk NAFTA-it works somewhat in the fact that we have more choices as consumers, but it has gotten so out of control that more jobs and more money are going out of this country instead of coming in-lets say fair balance-OBAMA wants to reform this so that the fair balance is recreated-which if BILL CLINTON would have fine tuned NAFTA to begin with,the UNITED STATES wouldn't be in part the crumbling state it is in,and then again if Bush would have kept up with what was happening in OUR country instead of his special interests to outdo his father he could have controlled NAFTA better.
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Old 05-01-2008, 03:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Lets talk about the war-OBAMAS stance is we should have never gone there-we didn't have the support of THE UNITED NATIONS and we went to the wrong country-we were lied to as to the reason and now 6 years later and trillions of YOUR and MY money and thousands of lives lost we are no closer to protecting our country from terrorists or any kind of world peace or have we punished the people who bombed the world trade center,and now our troops are so thin that if someone were to attack us-well you know the answer to that-OBAMA wants to get us out of this mess-he wants to give a time-line to Iraq-they don't mind taking our money while their surplus of money is building up-they don't
mind us being there to protect their borders-he wants to REUNITE the relationship between the UNITED STATES and the UNITED NATIONS-he wants to bring our troops home and use the trillions of dollars we are spending over there-to fix our infrastructure here-
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Old 05-01-2008, 04:05 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I asked because I always see Hillary explaining in detail what her plan is to help our country to get us out of this recession and all the BS that Bush has put us through, but I never hear Barack speaking about it...

All I hear is change!!! That's easier said than done!
So you like it when other people stamp you off as an incompetent and lazy guy and therefore feel the need to repeat their policies over and over ad infinitum?

I don't see where the problem with Obama not trying to brainwash the public with his plans. Everyone in the US has the means to find out what a candidate wants to do, if you don't know what his plans are than that's your fault and not his. Obama atleast has some respect for the intellectual capabilities that empower everyone to do read through his plans in detail themselves. Hillary appearently doesn't.
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Old 05-13-2008, 01:39 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Exclamation This is why I haven't jumped on the Obama wagon!!!

This is the reason why I created this thread. to learn more about this guy, but it seems that there are more out there who still don't know what is the change plan.....

Dear Senator Obama …
A Republican reformer has advice for the new guy promising to clean up Washington: get specific.


Newt Gingrich
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Updated: 1:58 PM ET May 10, 2008
Your campaign has been brilliant. It has given you more support and more momentum than most analysts expected a year ago. Keeping things simple and vague has worked so far, and it might work all the way to the White House. "Change you can believe in" is a great all-purpose slogan. It allows every person to fill in his or her own interpretation of what it means. In some ways, it's reminiscent of Jimmy Carter's 1976 promise to run "a government as good as the American people."

The challenge you will face in the next few months is stark. Do you want to remain vague? You might win—but you might find that, in winning, you have a "victory of personality" with no real policy consequences. Or do you want to provide specifics? If so, your victory could be a clarion call from the American people to Congress to join you in achieving your goals.

I participated in two successful "change" campaigns: the Reagan revolution of 1980 and the "Contract With America" in 1994. Both were built around a limited number of powerful, specific proposals. As a freshman congressman in 1980, working in coordination with the Reagan presidential campaign, we selected five popular themes we knew would help our candidates get elected and create momentum for President Reagan's bold agenda. The clarity of these five positions (the two most important were a three-year, 30 percent tax cut and strengthening the military) helped our candidates in the closing weeks of the campaign. We won the presidency, six seats in the Senate, 33 in the House—and joined with a minority of Democrats to pass the key measures into law.

In 1994, House Republicans had been in the minority for 40 years. We needed to do something dramatic. So instead of a traditional platform of vague commitments ("We believe in …"), we offered a clear program of specifics ("In the first 100 days, we will …"). We also enjoyed the advantage of positive historical trends. Already, there was an emerging consensus in favor of welfare reform, tax cuts, a stronger military and a balanced federal budget. Every item in the "Contract With America" had support from the vast majority of Americans.

Can you find five big changes that are substantive, popular—and can rally Democrats from the House and Senate to join you on the Capitol steps in September or October? If you cannot, you should question if you'll be able to deliver on your "change" slogan. Your campaign advisers may not care about that. Their instinct will be to win the election and leave the difficulties of governing up to you. But if you want to be a genuine historic agent of change "we can believe in," then you have to look beyond Election Day.

President Carter never understood this. When his vague campaign of "trust me" and "a government as good as the American people" came to Washington, it ran into a Democratic Congress that didn't trust him and that wanted a government that was good for the Congress. Carter, like many outsiders who become president (including the current White House resident), greatly underestimated the institutional strengths of the Congress. Many state legislatures meet very rarely. Georgia was like that when Carter was governor, and the Texas legislature only meets every other year. This gave Governor Bush a considerable misunderstanding of the depth of institutional trouble he would face in Washington.

By contrast, Congress is a permanent institution with a 225-year history of challenging the president. Carter learned even before his Inauguration that Speaker Tip O'Neill was happy to stand up to a newly elected president. President George H. W. Bush painfully learned that his "read my lips, no new taxes" pledge was a target for the Democrats rather than a problem for them. Hillary Clinton learned as First Lady that she could cut a healthcare deal with Republicans Bob Dole and John Chaffee, but she could not get several key Democrats to go along. Her plans foundered on the unwillingness of House Democrats to give up their core values for a presidential "win."

One final caveat: after four years as Speaker, the one lesson I learned is that the problem with being specific and real is that you become specific and real. Your opposition has new ammo—or, if you pick good enough changes, the Republicans might even decide to deliver on them in September, and the president might be willing to sign them. Then you will have delivered change, but probably not in the manner you had intended.

URL: Newt Gingrich: Dear Senator Obama … | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com
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Are duplicate threads against the rules? http://www.politicsforumpoliticalwor...licy-mean.html
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I don't know. Look at the date when this one was started and the other one that you mentioned.
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Old 05-13-2008, 03:29 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I don't know. Look at the date when this one was started and the other one that you mentioned.
My apologies. I assumed that since one popped to the top of the list overnight, it had just been created. My mistake.
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Old 05-13-2008, 03:43 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I keep hearing about how he will create change for our nation and how he will change everyone in Washington, but I never hear what his plan is.

It sounds like he's a great motivator, perhaps he should work with Tony Robbins. However, I'd like to hear what the plan is. Don't stroke me with stories of change.


Can someone enlighten me or us and share what Obama's plan for "change" is?
Just a few things :

McCain is just one of five Senators who asks for no money in ear marks -

But Obama authored the ear mark reform bill... how come if McCain is such a ear mark reformer - didn't come up with the a bill like this years a go ????

Obama authored the Veterans reform bill - once again McCain should of done this years a go... ???

Obama authored the bill to look for lose nukes like the briefcase ones in from Russia !!! Why was that not done back in the 1990's ???

Another important thing - Obama did these bills, not by him self, but with the help of other Republican partners

What it all so comes down to is - character, judgement, leadership, and the ability to work with other people and to listen to these other people - Obama has got all of these great qualities

And of course one of the biggest changes in my opinion is to

GET RID OF ALL THE LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON !!!! that alone would do our great country so much needed justice for the people of America

So to me action do speak louder than words so I think that the best way to find things out is to look up some of the answers for our selves. One great place to look is in the Library of Congress to see who passed and authored what bills :

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Old 05-13-2008, 04:49 PM   #20 (permalink)
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My apologies. I assumed that since one popped to the top of the list overnight, it had just been created. My mistake.
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