prrriiide

Just a question.

Why is the Wright connection so terminal? Tell me exactly how Obama listening to Wright's sermons has any bearing whatsoever on how he would run the Oval Office. What policies could he possibly enact that would benefit blacks at the expense of every other ethnicity in the US? You all do remember that we have 2 other branches of government that he would have to neutralize to accomplish anything even vaguely racist as President, don't you?

Why is it so important for you to make Obama a racist? He hasn't spouted any racist comments. He hasn't washed his hands after shaking with whitey.

Obama will survive this. He will be the nominee, and he will win in November. McCain will not beat him. Not with his near-illiterate domestic agenda and a 100 year's agenda in Iraq. When the Dems point out what his economic agenda, health care agenda, education agenda, and all of the other planks in his platform will mean to the wallets and daily lives of everyday Americans and the futures of their children, he is going to get beaten like a rented mule.

But I'd really like to know: why is it so important to you to make Obama something he is not? Is it possible that America is really not ready for a black President, and this is the path of least resistance to make sure it doesn't happen? That this is the way to accomplish the fait accompli without looking like a racist? Is it possible that those screaming for the stake-burning are themselves practicing a certain amount of subconscious racism?

You all make the issue that he didn't stand up in the pew and shout him down in the middle of a sermon. I challenge you to show me a politician of any party that would. Clinton claims she wouldn't have been a member of that church, yet she regularly attends devotional and spiritual activities with a sect that openly admires Hitler. Why is she not being vilified as an anti-semite? Of working-class whites, Clinton has said "screw 'em." Yet she is not an elitist, with her $109 mill bank account. Why has McCain not told Rev. Hagee exactly where to stick his endorsement when he has TWICE called Katrina a curse from God visited upon New Orleans for their gay pride parade. Why is McCain not seen as a gay-basher for not rejecting Hagee? Now we learn that McCain's chief economic adviser is the architect of the current recession. Where are the claims that McCain is an elitist, since the policies he will enact under the tutlage of Sen. Gramm will clearly benefit big business and the wealthy at the expense of average Americans. Why the double-standard for Obama? Seems pretty Jim Crow-ish to me.

If you're going to take Obama to task about these issues, fine. It's good that our potential leaders are examined. But the fact that you are not applying the same standards to the other two candidates screams of something deeper than mere examination.

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American Fighter

you can sit in the church for so many years and not be a raciest. I don't want a racist running he country. Thats like saying lets have the KKK run our country.

I already didn't like him anyway
I think the fact that he lied about it among other things several time is more what will destroy him. Then there is the whole plagiarism thing.

lifesaver

right on PRIIIDE-you should send what you just wrote to all the newspapers and tv stations in the country---just to add a new little snippet---the head of the commitee of the national press that invited wright to speak-is a huge hillary supporter--it was mentioned or suggested a few days ago on a news program that they wouldn't be surprised if hillary had something to do with wright coming out---the newscaster admonished this person,can't for the life of me remember who-because there was no proof-however there is no proof when sen clyburn came out and announced that perhaps hillary was throwing this election so she could come back in 2012 to beat mccain---i just wonder !!!! And yes i think more should be aired about hillarys little ELETE CULT the fellowship--i am so sorry OBAMA has to be drawn into this kind of dirty politics---i have e-mailed sen reid about hillarys cult and about her slimy back door,bottom feeding tactics---we the people have the power-let your states sen hear your opinion-your congressmen-we the people can stop people like hillary---LETS STAND UP FOR CHANGE GO OBAMA

lifesaver

i was just at my thread about obama denouncing wright and i came across your thread about clinton being behind the wright deal with the npa-about bank accounts-after phillary winning penn she said that overnight she raised over 10 million from small supporters-i would like to see the accounting of that also-me thinks maybe the money came from that little prayer CULT the fellowship--any person in their right mind struggling to pay their mortgage,gas, and food-would not and could not send a RICH bitch their hard earned money just to stay in a campaign that was over 3 months ago---and now where is she getting all this money for ads for indy and north car after she paid off the 15 million she owed as debts--oh-i know she didn't pay her debts---she has to have a certain amount of money in the coffers to continue the race if she paid off her bills due and owing she couldn't stay in---

tresha

I just like Obama; I just do. The previous two elections (Presidential) my take was more along the lines of "Oh dear GOD no not BUsh for President." Being a native Texan and having had to put up with his :: cough cough:: stellar performance as Governor, I just could not imagine him as President.
This election though, it's so different for me. It's not about the lesser of two evils or "anybody but a Rep".
I like what Obama has to say, I like that he's inspiring and that he has lit such a fire under so many people, especially first time voters.
I like that he's an "ordinary" guy, not one who has been mired down with DC politics for years and years; I like that his campaign has been such a grassroots effort and that people from all political walks of life have responded to him.
At this point, I honestly don't know what to think of his connection to Rev Wright.
I personally have not been offended by the things I've heard the Rev say. I don't agree with all of them, but they haven't offended me either.
I don't believe that Obama is unpatriotic or anti-American or out to dupe us all.
I believe he is someone who has devoted his entire adult life to wanting to better things for those around him. He has worked in communities and through legislature to actually affect change for individual people in this country.
I don't give a rat's ass if he doesn't have the same types of experience as Clinton or McCain. In fact, I'll go so far as to say I think that might even be a good thing.
Something seems damn sure broken in Washington; I've never been this scared about the economy and the education system and the state of healthcare. It certainly seems like the worst of times that I can remember,a t least in my adult life.
I think it might be a damn good thing to get someone in charge with some new ideas and someone willing to shake things up a bit.

Plus, I just can't see the Republicans being all that willing to work with Hillary Clinton. I think if she were elected it would bring things to a partisan standstill unlike one we have seen in years.
Ranting now, gonna hush.

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prrriiide

Bullshit.

I grew up around racists. I went to school with them. I sat in church with them. A small minority in my frat house were openly racist. I didn't like it then, ands I don't like it now. But just because I spent many years around them, and heard them and didn't always jump all over them about it doesn't make me a racist anymore than it makes me a kangaroo. You don't think Obama is smart enough to hear things and decide for himself what he's actually going to listen to? You don't think he's smart enough to seperate the wheat from the chaff of a sermon? You've been watching murders and rapes on TV and in the movies all your life. Are you a murderer? Are you a rapist? Of course not. Why, then, do you think Obama is some drooling, brainwashed zombie that has been given his marching orders to go forth and be a racist?

What has he lied about? Be specific and back it up.

Gimme a fucking break. PLAGIARISM??? He used a phrase that he first heard from A FRIEND. You do it all the time. So do I. Don't deny it, because everyone hears a great turn of the language from time to time and adopts it into their own lexicon. Do you REALLY think that JFK came up with the "ask not" line all by himself? Do you REALLY think FDR came up with "the only thing we have to fear" by himself? People of that political station have others that come up with sound-bite lines for them. One of the things that makes the line effective is that the politician delivers it as if he's been saying it for years. Maybe JFK and FDR did come up with those gems by themselves. But they had speechwriters that put the lines into context. They don't live in a vacuum.

So why didn't you like him anyway? Because of his politics? You don't like Clinton, then. Their positions are very similar.

But any way you slice it, giving Clinton a pass on The Fellowship, and giving McCain a pass on Hagee, but throwing Obama under the bus over Wright looks suspiciously like someone drawing a racial line in the sand.

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TheHat

How about "You are the company you keep". That is good enough for me.

If you hang around racists then you obviously condone some part of their mantra. If you hang around drug addicts..... If you hang around thieves.....

This isnt hard to understand. Lets see he has a racist pastor who married him and baptized his kids, who also did speeches for him.

He is friends with a known domestic terrorist who has yet to repent for his terrorist ways.

His wife hasnt been happy in her adult life up until her husband ran for office.

It just paints a bleek picture all the way around. This guy is suppose to be an uplifting individual yet all around him is unhappy, unrepentant, conspiacy theory riddled, people. I dont want that running my country. I want optimistic happy people, not dark, gloomy, unhappy people who have in the past attacked their own country.

Obama is a joke, he doesnt give out anything new, hell Wright said as much last week. He said,"Obama is a politician". Enough siad.

calidem411

The bottom line is that Pelosi and Dean don't like the Clintons. They want superdelegates to rush into a decision now. They want their golden boy "Barak Hussein Obama" to be the democratic runner. Is not If, but when he wins the nomination, the republicans are going to eat him for breakfast.

rsather139

How exactly is he a terrorist? So now we can't be critical of our country? Whatever happened to free speech?

Last I checked loving the country you live in is not a requirement for citizenship, nor should it be one. If he isn't actively violating anyone else's rights (last I checked he hasn't) then how is he a terrorist?

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Svante

i think what democrates want i s the candidate that will beat John Mccain. this i s why they like Barack Obama.