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Old 05-06-2008, 09:37 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Catawb, the one problem with your theory is that President Bush made sure that the U.N. and other non-U.S. bodies oversee all of the oil profits and funds. The U.S. can't withdraw any money made from Iraqi oil.

In fact, a few months ago, the Iraqi government wanted the U.N. to hand over control to them.
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U.S. Attempt to Control Iraq's Oil and Economy Continues Behind the Scenes
By Maya Schenwar, TruthOut.org. Posted April 7, 2008.

The coming months may be crucial in determining what kind of "friends" the US and Iraq are going to be over the long haul.

As violence rises again in Iraq, negotiations to institutionalize US economic dominance continue unabated.

While the battle of Basra raged last week, a series of talks between the Bush administration and the US-backed Maliki government rolled forward. These negotiations may have at least as many implications for Iraq's future as the violence on the ground.

The discussions, ongoing since November, stem from a "Declaration of Principles" agreement signed by the two leaders, aimed at establishing a long-term "friendship" between their countries.

While the portion of the Declaration that suggests a permanent US military presence in Iraq has garnered much attention, the agreement also proposes another goal: to solidify "economic ties" between the two countries and grant the US preferential treatment in trading with Iraq.

As brought to light by last week's oil price surge during the assault on Basra, economic concerns are inextricably linked to the occupation. When it comes to oil, the coming months may be crucial in determining what kind of "friends" the US and Iraq are going to be over the long haul.

A Framework for Occupation

In a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing last month, State Department Iraq Coordinator David Satterfield revealed the Declaration of Principles proposals have now been divided into a binding Status of Forces Agreement (on military involvement) and a nonbinding Strategic Framework Agreement (on economic and diplomatic relations). Neither would be submitted for the consent of Congress. Though Satterfield emphasized that, being nonbinding, the Strategic Framework would not "tie the hands" of future administrations, it could solidify changes the US has already made to Iraq's economic landscape - and pave the way for increased US control over Iraq's oil in years to come, according to Antonia Juhasz, a fellow at Oil Change International.

"A lot of frameworks for foreign investment were set up under [former Director of Iraq Reconstruction L. Paul] Bremer, and are already in place," Juhasz told Truthout. "A bilateral agreement would lock all that in and also place pressure on the government to pass the domestic oil law, to settle access for foreign companies to Iraq's oil underground."

The "all that" encompasses a host of sweeping reforms: Thanks to Bremer's alterations of Iraqi law during the first year of the US occupation, American companies are now allowed to buy out 100 percent of Iraqi businesses, instead of partnering with them. Bremer's orders also eliminated Iraq's high taxes on corporations, exchanging them for a 15 percent "flat tax." They abolished the practice of giving preference to Iraqi companies - in contracting out reconstruction work, for example - and erased a requirement to hire Iraqi workers.

Previously, Iraqi banks were closed to foreign ownership. Now, not only can foreign banks operate in Iraq, they can take over private Iraqi banks as well.

Bremer reworked Iraq's trademark and copyright laws, eliminated trade barriers and afforded foreign businesses the option of circumventing Iraq's legal system and taking any disputes to international tribunals.

A bilateral agreement like the Strategic Framework could serve as the perfect next step for the administration, making Bremer's "emergency" economic changes look like standard policy, according to Juhasz. Even if it remains a nonbinding pact, it would exert significant pressure on the Iraqi government to leave Bremer's legacy alone.

Where the Oil Flows

The November version of the Bush-Maliki agreement suggested a commitment to "facilitating and encouraging the flow of foreign investments to Iraq, especially American investments, to contribute to the reconstruction and rebuilding of Iraq."

According to James A. Paul, executive director of the Global Policy Forum, the "flow of foreign investments to Iraq" wouldn't manifest as generously as it sounds: The deal would primarily translate into "US/UK oil company control."

Last week's assault on Basra was "part of an effort to defeat the 'nationalists' in Iraq and consolidate a pro-US political regime that will go ahead with the oil deals," Paul told Truthout. Just before fighting erupted in Basra, the Iraqi presidential council approved the "provincial law," which clears the way for elections - potentially allowing nationalist leaders who oppose US oil interests to come to power. Maliki's Basra attack, says Paul, represents a failed attempt to quash that possibility.

It's not a question of pressure from oil companies, according to Reese Erlich, co-author of "Target Iraq: What the News Media Didn't Tell You." Buying up oil reserves is a strategic move to ensure US energy "security." The corporations become the vehicles for that security.

"It's not like oil companies were pounding on the state house door to invade Iraq," Erlich told Truthout. "Oil companies certainly benefit, but they're not the initiators."

As Juhasz noted, one goal Bremer could not singlehandedly accomplish was the privatization of Iraq's reserves, which, by some estimates, may contain a quarter of the world's oil. The famed "Iraqi oil law," approved by the Maliki administration but still "stuck" in the Parliament, would, among other provisions, open up Iraq's underground oil for foreign investment. In its most recent draft, the law would leave only 12 of the country's oil reserves under government control, with the remaining 74 -- not to mention any undiscovered fields, which certainly exist -- up for grabs.

The primary grabbers would no doubt be American, as indicated by the Declaration of Principles' "especially American investments" clause.

Since the early days of the occupation, the US has never kept its oil execs far from Iraq's oil. The oil fields, as well as the Oil Ministry in Baghdad, were some of the only places American soldiers guarded throughout the initial invasion. Paul notes that US "advisers" presided over the drafting of the latest version of the oil law.

Skirting the Law

According to the pan-Arab newspaper Al-Hayat, simultaneous with the battle of Basra, negotiations were taking place between major oil companies and the Iraqi ministry of oil.

An Oil Ministry official told The Associated Press last week Chevron, Exxon and British Petroleum would soon submit proposals for contracts on specific oil fields - including the Rumaila field near Basra.

Since the oil law has not yet passed, private companies can't obtain long-term contracts on the fields. However, that hasn't stopped them from getting their feet in the door. All it takes is a few powerful, cooperative Iraqis, and, according to Erlich, some of the most prominent are Kurds, who control Iraq's historically highest-producing oil field, near Kirkuk. Disregarding the Parliament's objections, Kurdistan has signed numerous "production sharing agreements" with Western oil companies.

The Maliki administration has also done its share of dodging Parliament's prohibition on international oil investment. Long-term contracts may be off limits, but short-term contracts stop just short of illegal, and Iraq's executive branch is swooping in on that loophole.

"You have the oil minister trying to sign two-year contracts with the oil companies, to demonstrate that the Maliki government is working with oil companies, even if Parliament is not," Juhasz said.

Pushing Back

Parliament is holding its ground. For the past year, the body has systematically rejected drafts of the oil law, which, in any form, would divest the legislature of authority on oil. The 12 fields still controlled by the government would be in the hands of an advisory board, including members of the Maliki administration, representatives of the provinces - and even, probably, representatives of foreign oil companies, according to Juhasz. Paul points to Parliament's seeming inaction as a genuine act of resistance to the occupation.

"The Parliament has remained steadfastly opposed and, in spite of periodic predictions that parliamentary agreement is 'near,' they have not acted," he said. "There have even been rumors that the companies have offered $5 million to each parliamentarian who votes 'yes,' a rumor that seems to me to be probably based in reality, yet even with such blandishments the Parliament has not acted."

By democratic standards, Parliament has some important backers on its side. A July poll commissioned by a group of human rights organizations showed 63 percent of the Iraqi people would prefer Iraqi companies maintain control of the country's oil.

Neither Democratic presidential hopeful has explicitly spoken out against opening Iraq up to foreign oil investments. Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have emphasized the need to urge the Iraqi government to pass one prong of the oil law -- a provision to distribute oil revenue evenly throughout the country, over which there is little controversy -- but have largely bypassed the broader debate about the law.

Meanwhile, negotiations over the Strategic Framework continue, with the looming prospect of an agreement threatening to further entrench Bush-era economic policies in Iraq.

"I hope things would change under a Democratic administration," Juhasz said. "But the fact that neither Clinton nor Obama has put forward an immediate withdrawal plan is worrisome. It doesn't give me confidence that they would abandon the oil policies the Bush administration has pursued."
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:32 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Care to enlighten us as to who did?
It is not known, except by Obama. But whenever he talks about Wright's role in his religious life, he always says Wright married he and and wife and baptized his kids. He does not say Wright baptized him.

However, I have just found this.

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In the Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote, "I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized." In 2004, he "attend[ed] the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant." When asked about his decision to be baptized, Obama said "Kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God's spirit beckoning me," he said of his walk down the aisle of the Trinity United Church of Christ. "I submitted myself to his will and dedicated myself to discovering his truth."
It does not say who baptized him, which is an interesting omission. If it was Wright, who brought him into the church and Christianity, then who was it? There is no reason for him to have omitted who baptized him since this was written long before anyone even heard of Wright.

As for what he was before he was baptized, it does not automatically follow he was a Muslim. Otherwise, you would have to assume every non-Christian is a Muslim.

No, it sounds to me like Obama was a secular humanist:
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Obama "Beckoning" Felt At Trinity United Church Of Christ, "Submitted Myself To His Will, And Dedicated Myself To Discovering His Truth And Carrying Out His Works." Obama said, "So one Sunday, I put on one of the few clean jackets I had, and went over to Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago. And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called "The Audacity of Hope." And during the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ. I learned that my sins could be redeemed. I learned that those things I was too weak to accomplish myself, He would accomplish with me if I placed my trust in Him. And in time, I came to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world and in my own life. It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church, as folks sometimes do. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. The skeptical bent of my mind didn't suddenly vanish.
You can find other evidence of Obama's secular background here and here.
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But I would ask again, so what if Obama was a Muslim? What are we supposed to infer from Obama being a Muslim?
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Interesting read, Catawba. However, not to insult you, but I've always had a hard time with groups like TruthOut reporting the "news." They are usually slanted and don't report both sides.

I usually try to stay away from those particular organizations, like the liberal MoveOn or the conservative Brucekelly.


Now, this is an interesting article about the problems that the Iraqi oil industry is having right now.

Report: Iraq's oil industry not attracting foreign companies
Tuesday April 29, 1:18 pm ET
By Sinan Salaheddin, Associated Press Writer
Iraq's oil industry falters, foreign companies stay away due to violence, report shows

BAGHDAD (AP) -- Iraq has failed to attract foreign investment due to persistent violence, and around 65 percent of the oil pipeline network remained idle due to sabotage and lack of repairs last year, the Oil Ministry said Tuesday.

Inspector General Abdul-Karim Elaibi, in an annual report, blamed frequent sabotage and a lack of maintenance for a reduction to around 35 percent of the capacity of the 4,600-mile pipeline network.

Since 2003, the U.S. Congress has approved $46 billion to rebuild Iraq's devastated infrastructure, including oil production plants and pipelines. The expectation after the U.S. invasion had been that it would take up to 18 months for Iraq to assume responsibility for reconstruction efforts, using its oil revenues.

But the Iraqi government has failed to lure international companies or even local contractors to improve the ailing industry, despite repeatedly seeking bids -- sometimes more than 10 times for one project, Elaibi said.

No one "showed interest due to the security situation," the inspector said in his 152-page report.

"The difficult security situation has affected the oil workers and their performance," and hurt production levels and development plans, Elaibi said.

But on Tuesday, Chief Executive Paolo Scaroni of Italian oil and natural gas company Eni SpA, said that the company was planning to bid for a gas project in southern Iraq, Dow Jones Newswires reported.

The project will include revamping an existing liquefied natural gas plant that isn't currently working, Scaroni said at a news conference in Rome. He also confirmed the company's plans to bid for Iraqi oil contracts.

Iraq sits on the world's third-largest oil reserves, totaling more than 115 billion barrels. It wants to raise its oil output from 2.4 million barrel now to 3 million barrels a day by the end of 2008 by bringing in foreign companies, and is targeting production of 4.5 million barrels a day by the end of 2013.

But the industry lacks modern equipment and training after decades of U.N. sanctions, war and Saddam Hussein's ruinous rule.

Pipelines have frequently been targeted by insurgents or saboteurs trying to pilfer oil. In the latest act of sabotage, a bomb struck a pipeline carrying oil to refineries in southern Iraq on Friday, wounding eight oil guards and disrupting the flow of crude.

Concern about the frequent violence led Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, an Iraqi-born Shiite Muslim cleric in Lebanon, to issue a religious edict, or fatwa, banning attacks on public utilities in Iraq -- mainly the oil industry -- on March 31.

Elaibi's report also cited corruption among the barriers to developing Iraq's oil industry.

He said workers and employees at some oil installations were in "collaboration" with militiamen to commit "organized theft operations, either by tankers or jerrycans."

Shiite militiamen dominated by radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army are widely believed to covertly control gas stations and distribution centers, especially in eastern Baghdad and some southern provinces. They make large sums of money by selling smuggled gas and kerosene on the black market.
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Interesting read, Catawba. However, not to insult you, but I've always had a hard time with groups like TruthOut reporting the "news." They are usually slanted and don't report both sides.

I usually try to stay away from those particular organizations, like the liberal MoveOn or the conservative Brucekelly.


Now, this is an interesting article about the problems that the Iraqi oil industry is having right now.

Report: Iraq's oil industry not attracting foreign companies
Tuesday April 29, 1:18 pm ET
By Sinan Salaheddin, Associated Press Writer
Iraq's oil industry falters, foreign companies stay away due to violence, report shows

BAGHDAD (AP) -- Iraq has failed to attract foreign investment due to persistent violence, and around 65 percent of the oil pipeline network remained idle due to sabotage and lack of repairs last year, the Oil Ministry said Tuesday.

Inspector General Abdul-Karim Elaibi, in an annual report, blamed frequent sabotage and a lack of maintenance for a reduction to around 35 percent of the capacity of the 4,600-mile pipeline network.

Since 2003, the U.S. Congress has approved $46 billion to rebuild Iraq's devastated infrastructure, including oil production plants and pipelines. The expectation after the U.S. invasion had been that it would take up to 18 months for Iraq to assume responsibility for reconstruction efforts, using its oil revenues.

But the Iraqi government has failed to lure international companies or even local contractors to improve the ailing industry, despite repeatedly seeking bids -- sometimes more than 10 times for one project, Elaibi said.

No one "showed interest due to the security situation," the inspector said in his 152-page report.

"The difficult security situation has affected the oil workers and their performance," and hurt production levels and development plans, Elaibi said.

But on Tuesday, Chief Executive Paolo Scaroni of Italian oil and natural gas company Eni SpA, said that the company was planning to bid for a gas project in southern Iraq, Dow Jones Newswires reported.

The project will include revamping an existing liquefied natural gas plant that isn't currently working, Scaroni said at a news conference in Rome. He also confirmed the company's plans to bid for Iraqi oil contracts.

Iraq sits on the world's third-largest oil reserves, totaling more than 115 billion barrels. It wants to raise its oil output from 2.4 million barrel now to 3 million barrels a day by the end of 2008 by bringing in foreign companies, and is targeting production of 4.5 million barrels a day by the end of 2013.

But the industry lacks modern equipment and training after decades of U.N. sanctions, war and Saddam Hussein's ruinous rule.

Pipelines have frequently been targeted by insurgents or saboteurs trying to pilfer oil. In the latest act of sabotage, a bomb struck a pipeline carrying oil to refineries in southern Iraq on Friday, wounding eight oil guards and disrupting the flow of crude.

Concern about the frequent violence led Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, an Iraqi-born Shiite Muslim cleric in Lebanon, to issue a religious edict, or fatwa, banning attacks on public utilities in Iraq -- mainly the oil industry -- on March 31.

Elaibi's report also cited corruption among the barriers to developing Iraq's oil industry.

He said workers and employees at some oil installations were in "collaboration" with militiamen to commit "organized theft operations, either by tankers or jerrycans."

Shiite militiamen dominated by radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army are widely believed to covertly control gas stations and distribution centers, especially in eastern Baghdad and some southern provinces. They make large sums of money by selling smuggled gas and kerosene on the black market.

I read the article, thank you for posting it! I didn't find any discrepancies with the article I posted from TruthOut, so I guess I didn't notice the fabled slant often attributed to them.
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You know, Catawba, it's not easy to find credible sources. When I first started writing in political forums like this one, I quickly learned that if I used a liberal source like Truthout or a conservative one like Brucekelly, no one would believe me and I would be called either a neocon or a leftist.

Of course now, if I use a credible news source, like The New York Times or CNN, or FOX News, or heck, even the Associated Press, I'm still called those same names from the extremists from both sides of the political spectrum. But it does make it a little harder for my critics to place those labels on me and to write me off.

I will say, the TruthOut article does sound really interesting and I tried to find another source for it, but I couldn't. It does fall in the realm of possibility.
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But I would ask again, so what if Obama was a Muslim? What are we supposed to infer from Obama being a Muslim?
As long as his actions are positive for this country (and there is no proof to the contrary) I could care less what religion Obama chooses to follow.

We have just a lot of dangerous nuts out there who were baptized in the christian church (McCain comes to mind).
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You know, Catawba, it's not easy to find credible sources. When I first started writing in political forums like this one, I quickly learned that if I used a liberal source like Truthout or a conservative one like Brucekelly, no one would believe me and I would be called either a neocon or a leftist.

Of course now, if I use a credible news source, like The New York Times or CNN, or FOX News, or heck, even the Associated Press, I'm still called those same names from the extremists from both sides of the political spectrum. But it does make it a little harder for my critics to place those labels on me and to write me off.

I will say, the TruthOut article does sound really interesting and I tried to find another source for it, but I couldn't. It does fall in the realm of possibility.


Good point Time, thanks!
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