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Old 05-01-2008, 02:05 AM
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I was reading through Malcolm X's biography. I found a quote in his page similar to Rev. Wright's comment:

A born leader
Intelligent and articulate, Malcolm was appointed as a minister and national spokesman for the Nation of Islam. Elijah Muhammad also charged him with establishing new mosques in cities such as Detroit, Michigan and Harlem, New York. Malcolm utilized newspaper columns, as well as radio and television to communicate the NOI's message across the United States. His charisma, drive and conviction attracted an astounding number of new members. Malcolm was largely credited with increasing membership in the NOI from 500 in 1952 to 30,000 in 1963.

The crowds and controversy surrounding Malcolm made him a media magnet. He was featured in a week-long television special with Mike Wallace in 1959, called "The Hate That Hate Produced." The program explored the fundamentals of the NOI, and tracked Malcolm's emergence as one of its most important leaders. After the special, Malcolm was faced with the uncomfortable reality that his fame had eclipsed that of his mentor Elijah Muhammad.

Racial tensions ran increasingly high during the early 1960s. In addition to the media, Malcolm's vivid personality had captured the government's attention. As membership in the NOI continued to grow, FBI agents infiltrated the organization (one even acted as Malcolm's bodyguard) and secretly placed bugs, wiretaps, cameras and other surveillance equipment to monitor the group's activities.

A test of faith
Malcolm's faith was dealt a crushing blow at the height of the civil rights movement in 1963. He learned that his mentor and leader, Elijah Muhammad, was secretly having relations with as many as six women within the Nation of Islam organization. As if that were not enough, Malcolm found out that some of these relationships had resulted in children.

Since joining the NOI, Malcolm had strictly adhered to the teachings of Muhammad - which included remaining celibate until his marriage to Betty Shabazz in 1958. Malcolm refused Muhammad's request to help cover up the affairs and subsequent children. He was deeply hurt by the deception of Muhammad, whom he had considered a living prophet. Malcolm also felt guilty about the masses he had led to join the NOI, which he now felt was a fraudulent organization built on too many lies to ignore.

Shortly after his shocking discovery, Malcolm received criticism for a comment he made regarding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. "[Kennedy] never foresaw that the chickens would come home to roost so soon," said Malcolm. After the statement, Elijah Muhammad "silenced" Malcolm for 90 days. Malcolm, however, suspected he was silenced for another reason. In March 1964 Malcolm terminated his relationship with the NOI. Unable to look past Muhammad's deception, Malcolm decided to found his own religious organization, the Muslim Mosque, Inc.

Here's the link to that page: The Official Web Site of Malcolm X
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I've read the Autobiography of Malcolm X. There's no similarities between him and Reverend Wright, any more than there are similarities between George W. Bush and James Madison. Malcolm X was a very serious and dedicated man. Reverend Wright is how shall I say.....a fuckin' idiot. Big difference there.
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Old 05-01-2008, 02:16 AM
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I've read the Autobiography of Malcolm X. There's no similarities between him and Reverend Wright, any more than there are similarities between George W. Bush and James Madison. Malcolm X was a very serious and dedicated man. Reverend Wright is how shall I say.....a fuckin' idiot. Big difference there.
Did you read the chickens have come to roost comments? This is coming from his official web page!
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Did you read the chickens have come to roost comments? This is coming from his official web page!
Yes, I have and that doesn't change anything, anymore than Bush and Madison both being President and both going to war makes them the same.
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Old 05-01-2008, 05:42 AM
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Did you read the chickens have come to roost comments? This is coming from his official web page!

this means nothing!!it only shows that knowledge belongs to no one. we all use words or quotes from someone else. A Christian used words of a Muslim that only shows the respect he has for the man, would Malcom have spoke at an NAACP, Yes. Would he come to a press conference and try his best to fuck up Obama ,NO. Wright should have been quiet after the NAACP talk, it was good and the press had nothing to say but he went ahead and opened his fucking mouth trying to hurt Obama. What i dont understand is how can wright hurt Obama when clearly Obama put him in his place. Now Hillary CLEARLY THIS BITCH IS A LIAR!!! FUCK HER AND HER BLOWJOB DRIVEN HUSBAND HILLARY IS A LIAR!!
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this means nothing!!it only shows that knowledge belongs to no one. we all use words or quotes from someone else. A Christian used words of a Muslim that only shows the respect he has for the man, would Malcom have spoke at an NAACP, Yes. Would he come to a press conference and try his best to fuck up Obama ,NO. Wright should have been quiet after the NAACP talk, it was good and the press had nothing to say but he went ahead and opened his fucking mouth trying to hurt Obama. What i dont understand is how can wright hurt Obama when clearly Obama put him in his place. Now Hillary CLEARLY THIS BITCH IS A LIAR!!! FUCK HER AND HER BLOWJOB DRIVEN HUSBAND HILLARY IS A LIAR!!

What facts do you have to call her a liar? Oh, the Bosnia thing right! Is that all you and the press have against her. If that's all, then you sure have weak candidate that is going to drive the democratic party to the ground.

There are still many mysteries about Obama. Rev. Wright knows and he will say them before the November election. Just watch! how our hopes for a democratic president will be fucked up by Obama and hi secrecy...
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What facts do you have to call her a liar? Oh, the Bosnia thing right! Is that all you and the press have against her. If that's all, then you sure have weak candidate that is going to drive the democratic party to the ground.
Just google for them. Here are 9 lies that the Clinton campaign has propagated through the course of this primary election: Bill and Hillary Clinton’s Top 9 Lies to Voters on the Campaign Trail « Think On These Things, and that's just pretty much the first site I found. Google is your friend! Oh wait...I guess in this case it's not...
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I know all the sarcarsms and pundits when replying to this thread. However, Rev. Wright said yesterday that Obama would say anything just to win the election.

I don't know Obama, that's why I ask this question. Mr. Wright knows him for 20 years. I guess he knows better....
That is one of the dumbest thing I ever heard. You just admitted that you believe Obama knows a Christian Pastor, believes that Pastor knows intimate details about Obama's life that the public at large doesn't and has known Obama for 20 years yet still questions that he is a Muslim?

Tell me do you often question the religion of people even if they have gone to the Church of the religion you question they belong to for 20 years.
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Old 05-01-2008, 01:00 PM
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I personally think that with Obama’s background and experiences with other cultures while growing up such as living in Indonesia gives him a better understanding of people and groups of people and I believe he actually sees how it is and I think that is what the future of this country needs. As for his religion I do not believe that is the most important bases for choosing who will lead our nation for the next 4 to 8 years.

I do not believe that the background of either of our other three choices (counting Nader) really gives them a realistic look at the whole world; they have not really lived it at any point in their lives.

I would also like to add that I went into this election a Clinton supporter I remember thinking and stating over the years that I will vote for Hillary when she runs for president and it took a lot of reading and following speeches and looking at backgrounds for me to realize that I was blindly following because I planed to when I was 18. I am happy to say now that I am an Obama supporter because he looks at the world with open eyes and only then can issues be resolved.
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I do not believe that the background of either of our other three choices (counting Nader) really gives them a realistic look at the whole world; they have not really lived it at any point in their lives.
Shaynj, you count Nader in your three, the others being Obama and McCain (I believe anyway) but you didn't count Ron Paul or Mike Gravel. Sure, neither of those two have any chance of winning the election any more than Nader does, but it is worth mentioning the other running candidates.

Anyway, getting back on topic, many of the younger voters don't care about Obama's background. Younger voters are more open-minded, unlike some of the older voters. That's why Hillary has been trying to make out that Obama has a strong Muslim background to older voters to gain their votes, as I have written a few times before.
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