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Old 04-29-2008, 08:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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He has never been a real Muslim at all. His father was a non-practicing Muslim, which under Sharia law makes Obama a muslim (or rather an Apostate, since he is actually a Christian, which also means that under Sharia law he should be executed). That doesn't mean he believes in Islam or ever has, as he said he was raised by his Christian mother, and became a Christian himself. It's just that under the ridiculous Sharia law system, because his dad was technically a Muslim, that makes him a "muslim"... even though he's never believed in it.
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Old 04-29-2008, 08:58 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yeah, pretty much what Oz said is true. However, I really wonder if religious proclamations from a foreign religion should count as making you a part of that religion. If some religious scholar, like maybe Bin Laden or Zwahiri said that the thread starter is a Muslim, does that make them one? Should we all say yeah well someone in Al Qaeda said that Cheney is a Muslim, so that means he's a Muslim? Letting radical Islamists dictate which of your citizens is a Muslim or not seems like a pretty good example of appeasement and surrender to me.
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Old 04-30-2008, 02:28 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I know all the sarcarsms and pundits when replying to this thread. However, Rev. Wright said yesterday that Obama would say anything just to win the election.

I don't know Obama, that's why I ask this question. Mr. Wright knows him for 20 years. I guess he knows better....
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Old 04-30-2008, 02:45 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I know all the sarcarsms and pundits when replying to this thread. However, Rev. Wright said yesterday that Obama would say anything just to win the election.
And the other two candidates wouldn't give anything to be elected?
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Old 04-30-2008, 02:51 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I think Obama would have made a stronger statement by saying that he is a devout Christian, but nevertheless believes it is bigotted of people to care whether or not he is a Muslim and that this reflects poorly upon those who concern themselves with such questions. My guess is he thought that, but felt it would alienate some of the many bigots whose votes he will count on, though such people are likely concentrated in the other party.

Imagine how this must look to the middle east. America tries to say it's all about tolerating different viewpoints, and yet they try to smear Obama by suggesting that he's a Muslim. Obviously the West wants to destroy Islam, right?
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Old 04-30-2008, 03:00 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I know all the sarcarsms and pundits when replying to this thread. However, Rev. Wright said yesterday that Obama would say anything just to win the election.
You'r confusing Obama with Hillary. It's Hillary that will say anything just to win the election.
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Old 04-30-2008, 06:56 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I think Obama would have made a stronger statement by saying that he is a devout Christian, but nevertheless believes it is bigotted of people to care whether or not he is a Muslim and that this reflects poorly upon those who concern themselves with such questions. My guess is he thought that, but felt it would alienate some of the many bigots whose votes he will count on, though such people are likely concentrated in the other party.

Imagine how this must look to the middle east. America tries to say it's all about tolerating different viewpoints, and yet they try to smear Obama by suggesting that he's a Muslim. Obviously the West wants to destroy Islam, right?
Bingo right on the money!!!
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Old 04-30-2008, 10:21 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I know all the sarcarsms and pundits when replying to this thread. However, Rev. Wright said yesterday that Obama would say anything just to win the election.

I don't know Obama, that's why I ask this question. Mr. Wright knows him for 20 years. I guess he knows better....
Any differents to Clinton?

Haha
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Old 04-30-2008, 06:13 PM   #19 (permalink)
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You'r confusing Obama with Hillary. It's Hillary that will say anything just to win the election.
Hillary has big cojones to tell it like it is. She would had denounced that f**^r at the first speech in Philly...
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:38 PM   #20 (permalink)
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It's an interesting question. I know that a political magazine last year broke a story saying that the Clinton Campaign was digging into Sen. Obama's past and trying to make it out that he was secretly a Muslim.

What was interesting with this was that even though the magazine spoke with sources from the Clinton Campaign, CNN and others attacked Insight, the magazine that broke the story. And that's the real interesting thing, because usually when a big story comes out about a politician, the rest of the media is on top of it like vultures. But this wasn't the case.

Of course Sen. Clinton denied that her people were trying to make Obama into some closet Muslim. Then a year later, this past February, her campaign published a photo of Sen. Obama wearing traditional attire that some Muslims wear. When Obama accused Clinton of pulling a dirty political stunt, Clinton had the nerve to say Obama should have nothing to worry about, since she allegedly wore similar things.

Personally, that photo of Obama was something that Camp Hillary was planning on using until Insight broke the story last year. It would seem that Insight was correct after all.

It's all politics and this is a really dirty campaign. Most of the younger voters don't care whether Obama is a Muslim or not because as a rule of thumb, most younger voters are open-minded. However, their numbers aren't as comparable, or electable, to middle-age and older voters.
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