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04-19-2008, 05:00 AM
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Obama (not the best thing since sliced bread)
Here is how I feel and think. I think a lot of people that back Obama are emotionally attached to him. No matter what comes out in the media, they feel he is the right choice for America. I understand the emotional connection, because its real, the attachment that is. His policies and what he actually stands for and wants to do, is what I see mostly as fake. He's run a great campaign, and has pulled in a number of people to follow him. But these avid followers continue to fail to see the real Obama. The Obama that is tied 20 plus years to Reverand Wright, the Obama that has a wife that completly despises every opportunity that the great USA has granted her, the Obama that believes the heart of America, the ones that work their ass off everyday just to get by, the ones that sacrafice as much as they can so that their family can survive, are bitter. They don't follow Obama because they are bitter. They don't follow Obama, because they have a choice, and they know the Obama choice just puts everything they have ever represented in the mud. They aren't emotionally tied to him. They see the real difference. They see the Obama that attends a racist church (at leat it would be a racist church if Mccain attended a white church that said such things, but to me, its a racist church) on a regular basis, they see the Obama that wants to press the working class even more, they see the Obama that wants to pull out of a war that we can prevail at but his only reason against it is the fact that he was against it in the first place (what good does that do us now). I want our troops home as well, but I want them to complete the job, if and when its possible, and I expect the majority of them home fairly s
What I'm trying to say is that Obama isn't the sliced bread, he's more like the sliced bread that has been sitting in your kitchen that is begginning to get moldy, and the longer it sits there, the more moldy it gets. And sooner or later you may realize this.
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04-19-2008, 08:07 AM
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Here is how I feel and think. I think a lot of people that back Obama are emotionally attached to him.
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Obama is very charismatic. He's an excellent orator and that gets people behind you.
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His policies and what he actually stands for and wants to do, is what I see mostly as fake.
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Explain this further, please, with specific examples. What does his voting record suggest? Does it conflict with what he says?
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The Obama that is tied 20 plus years to Reverand Wright,
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We can't judge people by their friends and family. Even Jesus hung out with sinners, but that doesn't mean he was a bad guy. Furthermore, while it seems that Wright got carried away, there is a grain of truth in much of what he says. Most Americans are too busy waving their flags to have any idea how many mistakes their government has made.
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the Obama that has a wife that completly despises every opportunity that the great USA has granted her,
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I'm sure she has seen her fair share of American hypocrisy. America has the most social stratification of industrialized nations, and actually has the highest per capita incarcerated population in the world. African Americans disproportionately fall in the lower economic classes despite how hard many of them work. They are also incarcerated disproportionately more. It does not surprise me that she has felt little patriotism until recently.
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the Obama that believes the heart of America, the ones that work their ass off everyday just to get by, the ones that sacrafice as much as they can so that their family can survive, are bitter.
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As they should be. This was not a statement of condemnation, it was a statement of empathy.
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They don't follow Obama because they are bitter. They don't follow Obama, because they have a choice, and they know the Obama choice just puts everything they have ever represented in the mud.
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If you can't see the mud, you can't clean it off.
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they see the Obama that wants to pull out of a war that we can prevail at but his only reason against it is the fact that he was against it in the first place (what good does that do us now).
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It shows he had the judgement that Bush, Clinton, and McCain lack. He knew it was a bad idea.
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I want our troops home as well, but I want them to complete the job, if and when its possible, and I expect the majority of them home fairly s
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What job? Their unnecessary job of freeing Iraq from Saddam is complete. Tell the Iraqis to sink or swim.
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04-19-2008, 01:53 PM
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...But these avid followers continue to fail to see the real Obama...
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once again look at his advisors. google-it
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04-19-2008, 02:43 PM
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Like the other two aren't already dried out and moldy? Obama might not be great but he's not corrupted from being in Washington long enough to out date the commercial passenger jet.
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04-19-2008, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Grez
Here is how I feel and think. I think a lot of people that back Obama are emotionally attached to him. No matter what comes out in the media, they feel he is the right choice for America. I understand the emotional connection, because its real, the attachment that is. His policies and what he actually stands for and wants to do, is what I see mostly as fake. He's run a great campaign, and has pulled in a number of people to follow him. But these avid followers continue to fail to see the real Obama. The Obama that is tied 20 plus years to Reverand Wright, the Obama that has a wife that completly despises every opportunity that the great USA has granted her, the Obama that believes the heart of America, the ones that work their ass off everyday just to get by, the ones that sacrafice as much as they can so that their family can survive, are bitter. They don't follow Obama because they are bitter. They don't follow Obama, because they have a choice, and they know the Obama choice just puts everything they have ever represented in the mud. They aren't emotionally tied to him. They see the real difference. They see the Obama that attends a racist church (at leat it would be a racist church if Mccain attended a white church that said such things, but to me, its a racist church) on a regular basis, they see the Obama that wants to press the working class even more, they see the Obama that wants to pull out of a war that we can prevail at but his only reason against it is the fact that he was against it in the first place (what good does that do us now). I want our troops home as well, but I want them to complete the job, if and when its possible, and I expect the majority of them home fairly s
What I'm trying to say is that Obama isn't the sliced bread, he's more like the sliced bread that has been sitting in your kitchen that is begginning to get moldy, and the longer it sits there, the more moldy it gets. And sooner or later you may realize this.
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One could argue very powerfully about the shortcomings of Obama. However, you have failed to do so. Your remarks here are nothing more that partisan attacks with no substance. If I used the same logic you did, I would say that McCain is senile and he can't even remember his own name, due to him being a POW he just wants to attack every country in the world and also that McCain's image as a maverick is a total lie and now he's just a Bush clone.
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04-19-2008, 04:05 PM
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"a wife that completly despises every opportunity that the great USA has granted her" - Grez
Substantiate, please. COMPLETELY despises??? EVERY opportunity???
I'd say that her lack of rose-colored glasses when considering American history as well as current American policy/culture make her a much better citizen than average, not worse.
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04-20-2008, 09:21 AM
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This guy seems to think Obama will win the entire thing.
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Given the failure of Republican economic policies over the last eight years, and the problems in Iraq—not to mention divisions within the Republican Party that may encourage portions of their base to stay home on election day—the American people are likely to vote for the change that Obama represents.
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I got that quote from here
I'm not sure I buy it though...I don't think Obama can beat McCain.
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04-20-2008, 11:57 AM
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Here is how I feel and think. His policies and what he actually stands for and wants to do, is what I see mostly as fake.
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Id be very interested in hearing a substantive explanation regarding what you are calling Obama's "fakes stands" please.
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The Obama that is tied 20 plus years to Reverand Wright,
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Guilt by association and sound bite? Come on now aren't we all above such superfluous generalizations? There is no logic here and it would be like my suggesting that McCain is a Manchurian Candidate due to his years of close association with his Communist captors. All that I'm hearing here are the most basic of Right Wing Talk Radio talking points being rehashed.
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the Obama that has a wife that completly despises every opportunity that the great USA has granted her,
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Sen. Obama explained Michelle's comments stating she didn't clearly articulate what she meant which was that she was proud of American politics for the first time this election cycle for finally having a Black and a woman who are candidates that have a great chance to succeed.
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the Obama that believes the heart of America, the ones that work their ass off everyday just to get by, the ones that sacrafice as much as they can so that their family can survive, are bitter.
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I think Sen. Obama meant that there are a lot of working class Americans who are bitter due to the rotten state of the American economy driven by Bush's weak and inept policies that have caused many moderate income earning Americans to become worse off financially and emotionally than they were the day Bush took office. The cost of key everyday items (food, gas, electricity, health insurance) are up significantly today while at the same time actual earnings have stagnated throughout the Bush years and are no better than when Clinton was President.
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they see the Obama that wants to pull out of a war that we can prevail at but his only reason against it is the fact that he was against it in the first place (what good does that do us now). I want our troops home as well, but I want them to complete the job,
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We started a war based on made up intel and there was a purposeful conspiracy to bury any intel that disputed Bush's claims. I for one recall vividly this famous line by Bush and his minions:
"America will stand down when Iraq steps up."
How is it possible that after 5 years their military is unable to defend themselves from themselves? It's mind boggling. I think that it's time we let our little eaglets fly on their own and that we abandon them to do just that.
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04-20-2008, 01:03 PM
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Id be very interested in hearing a substantive explanation regarding what you are calling Obama's "fakes stands" please.
Guilt by association and sound bite? Come on now aren't we all above such superfluous generalizations? There is no logic here and it would be like my suggesting that McCain is a Manchurian Candidate due to his years of close association with his Communist captors. All that I'm hearing here are the most basic of Right Wing Talk Radio talking points being rehashed.
Sen. Obama explained Michelle's comments stating she didn't clearly articulate what she meant which was that she was proud of American politics for the first time this election cycle for finally having a Black and a woman who are candidates that have a great chance to succeed.
I think Sen. Obama meant that there are a lot of working class Americans who are bitter due to the rotten state of the American economy driven by Bush's weak and inept policies that have caused many moderate income earning Americans to become worse off financially and emotionally than they were the day Bush took office. The cost of key everyday items (food, gas, electricity, health insurance) are up significantly today while at the same time actual earnings have stagnated throughout the Bush years and are no better than when Clinton was President.
We started a war based on made up intel and there was a purposeful conspiracy to bury any intel that disputed Bush's claims. I for one recall vividly this famous line by Bush and his minions:
"America will stand down when Iraq steps up."
How is it possible that after 5 years their military is unable to defend themselves from themselves? It's mind boggling. I think that it's time we let our little eaglets fly on their own and that we abandon them to do just that.
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Obama tells people what they NEED to hear. They DO cling like spoiled infantile little children to religion when upset, it's what the believer worshippers always do. They can't or won't work to find the answers on their own, so they fall back on asking the boogeyman under their bed. Far better to get an answer from something imaginary. Soothes the soul, you know.
Iraq loves things as they are. No responsibility, and they get a new infrastructure for free. Never mind they'll tear it all down and destroy it once we leave. Copper and aluminum are all hot items on the scrap markets.
We need to leave and let happen what will happen whenever we leave anyhow. Iraq can go to hell.
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04-27-2008, 02:31 AM
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Squire
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This is pretty much the responses I expected and it pretty much proves my point (to me at least). The majority of responses have been defenses against my comments, failing to even mention that the things that have been tied to Obama even matter. The main things that have come out against Obama are huge red flags in my opinion. But many Obama followers fail to see these flags. They are blind to what this guy may really be about. I'm a conservative by my main moral and policy beliefs, but was very open to this years election. When Mccain locked it up, I was still on the fence. We know exactly what we will get with Mccain. Obama is the biggest question mark in history. He's starting to become the biggest phony as well. All of what he talks about has started blowing up in his face, the more we find out about him. Just keep your eyes open, not shut to the things that come about is all I'm really trying to say.
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