Bitter or Frustrated? What's the &^#)@_* Difference?! - Political Forum

JoeBlack · #1 (**permalink**) 04-14-2008, 07:13 PM

Why is this the center point of our Presidential election? We have over 4000 of our sons and daughter dead over an illegal war. The Bill of Rights thrown out the window. An economy in shambles. World strife, poverty and hunger. Genocide. The list goes on.

I am embarrassed and frustrated (yes bitter!) to be an American at this point and time. The World must be looking at us laughing, and saying "Those crazy Americans!"

Who cares if Hillary took some shots? Or if Barack had a beer. If his middle name is Hussein? Or if she ever fired a weapon? Those things won't make or break our country.

This is ridiculous!

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · #2 (**permalink**) 04-14-2008, 07:28 PM

I won't say that people don't have a right to be offended. I would say that if Americans are going to really decide who leads the country based upon semantics taken out of context, then we deserve who we get.

Sometimes people just have to learn things like animals learn, failing, being hit, failing, being hit, failing, being hit. Eventually even an animal figures out that he shouldn't fail, if he wants to avoid being hit.

JoeBlack · #3 (**permalink**) 04-14-2008, 07:35 PM

Take this story for example. It really speaks to issues, as it relates to Senator Obama:

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Consider a bill into which Obama clearly put his heart and soul. The problem he wanted to address was that too many confessions, rather than being voluntary, were coerced -- by beating the daylights out of the accused.

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Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.

This seemed likely to stop the beatings, but the bill itself aroused immediate opposition. There were Republicans who were automatically tough on crime and Democrats who feared being thought soft on crime. There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument. Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to using muscle to "solve" crimes. And the incoming governor, Rod Blagojevich, announced that he was against it.

Obama had his work cut out for him.

He responded with an all-out campaign of cajolery. It had not been easy for a Harvard man to become a regular guy to his colleagues. Obama had managed to do so by playing basketball and poker with them and, most of all, by listening to their concerns. Even Republicans came to respect him. One Republican state senator, Kirk Dillard, has said that "Barack had a way both intellectually and in demeanor that defused skeptics."

The police proved to be Obama's toughest opponent. Legislators tend to quail when cops say things like, "This means we won't be able to protect your children." The police tried to limit the videotaping to confessions, but Obama, knowing that the beatings were most likely to occur during questioning, fought -- successfully -- to keep interrogations included in the required videotaping.

By showing officers that he shared many of their concerns, even going so far as to help pass other legislation they wanted, he was able to quiet the fears of many.

Obama proved persuasive enough that the bill passed both houses of the legislature, the Senate by an incredible 35 to 0. Then he talked Blagojevich into signing the bill, making Illinois the first state to require such videotaping.

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Obama didn't stop there

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JoeBlack · #4 (**permalink**) 04-14-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

I won't say that people don't have a right to be offended. I would say that if Americans are going to really decide who leads the country based upon semantics taken out of context, then we deserve who we get.

Sometimes people just have to learn things like animals learn, failing, being hit, failing, being hit, failing, being hit. Eventually even an animal figures out that he shouldn't fail, if he wants to avoid being hit.

I don't mean to say people don't have the right to be offended. But was he lying? He was showing empathy and now its being flipped around on him. I would think people are intelligent enough to recognize that. Instead of being manipulated by sensational media.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · #5 (**permalink**) 04-14-2008, 07:49 PM

Eh, fuck it. Obama may have said something dumb. MAYBE. People are free to make dumb decisions based upon what he said. People just have to take accountability for their actions. That's all I'm saying. If people voted for Bush in 2004 and 2000 because Gore "invented" the internet, and Kerry spoke out against US atrocities in Vietnam, then OK go ahead and do that, but then you take what you get when Bush gives tax cuts to everybody but you.

People should go ahead and make dumb decisions, but they should just keep their eye on that boomerang when it comes back to hit them in the face and remember that they were the ones who threw it. That's all I'm saying.

Harry Paratestes · #6 (**permalink**) 04-14-2008, 07:52 PM

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People should go ahead and make dumb decisions, but they should just keep their eye on that boomerang when it comes back to hit them in the face and remember that they were the ones who threw it.

Like they'll ever look past the end of their noses...

JoeBlack · #7 (**permalink**) 04-14-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

Eh, fuck it. Obama may have said something dumb. MAYBE. People are free to make dumb decisions based upon what he said. People just have to take accountability for their actions. That's all I'm saying. If people voted for Bush in 2004 and 2000 because Gore "invented" the internet, and Kerry spoke out against US atrocities in Vietnam, then OK go ahead and do that, but then you take what you get when Bush gives tax cuts to everybody but you.

People should go ahead and make dumb decisions, but they should just keep their eye on that boomerang when it comes back to hit them in the face and remember that they were the ones who threw it. That's all I'm saying.

True. BTW, you have a PM.