Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

The fact that Hillary consistently plays dirty and makes hypocritical comments, does not change that those actions are very annoying.

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

As for McCain, I'd have to disagree with you there. Having served in the military and lived in a POW camp for 5 years automatically puts him on the level of most American people. The elitist play on him does not work.

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I'd like to believe that hard times and difficult trials in life automatically make one a better person. But as far as his politics go, it appears he has sold out. Working hand in hand with such liberals as Ted Kennedy speaks to his character. He sides with a lot of political elitists on issues that would have negative effects on the country, such as amnesty for illegal immigrants.

As for the other side of the coin, I was simply focusing on his net worth - which is far superior to the vast majority of Americans. It does insulate him from a great many potential problems that are faced regularly by millions of Americans.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

You changed your argument. First you argued that he's an elitist based upon his personal background, not his politics. That got refuted, and then you changed your argument to he "sides with a lot of political elitists". Those are not the same issues.

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I didn't change my argument. I reiterated that wealth makes one prone to elitism. I added in his political background on the issue because it is indeed relevant. Political power can make one prone to elitism. He has sided with other political elitists in the past.

Look, we'll obviously have to agree to disagree. I'm not a McCain supporter and I won't be voting for him. But I won't be voting for Hillary or Obama either. I usually never vote for Democrats and Republicans. Both parties suffer from major corruption problems. There are a few honest members of each party, but the vast majority are sell outs.

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I thought Obama's comment was a very ignorant one. He generalized rural people, especially ones that would be considered conservative and possibly vote for McCain. Stupid move on his part. As for Hillary, I see nothing I didn't expect. Obama would've done the exact same thing. Neither of them are above petty politics.

I read a quite hilarious political cartoon yesterday. (It was for me at least, I'm not an Obama supporter.) It had a picture of Obama with him saying to the American public, "The good news is I'm raising taxes on the rich. The great news is you're all officially rich." I know it's a bit stereotypical for liberals to raise taxes, but it is generally true. That's why it's a stereotype.

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Well, I'll maintain that you changed your argument. You can say that you did not. We were discussing McCain's personal background and then you abruptly changed what issue you were talking about to McCain's policies. That totally avoided my response to you and went in a different direction.

Again, irrelevant. That's not the debate. The debate between you and I on this thread is whether or not McCain is an elitist or not, not who you're going to vote for or what your politics are.

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Look, I've never said point-blank "John McCain is an elitist." I'm just giving my opinion in this thread. I said that at times he has sided with elitists, which is true. I said that he has sold out on some issues - which is true - such as his opposition to tax cuts, his support of amnesty, and his support of campaign finance "reform," and let's not forget the Keating scandal.

To your argument, having suffered does not insure that someone will not be an elitist. That is not conclusive proof that the man couldn't be an elitist.

Likewise, having millions of dollars in the bank will not automatically make someone an elitist, but people who are elitists are often very wealthy.

Maintaining a high position in the national government will not automatically make someone an elitist, but elitists are often in positions of authority/leadership.

I will say this - the case for McCain being an elitist is weaker than Hillary being an elitist. The case against Hillary is pretty much rock solid.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Your comments: "The Clintons and the McCains are all multi-millionaires." imply that McCain is an elitist. The fact that he served overseas in the Navy and was a POW for 5 years means that he is not an elitist. That's an elitist argument killer.

You did not justify your remarks. You took them in another direction once I mentioned McCain's personal background. If you'd like to somehow explain how McCain is an elitist despite that, you are welcome to do so.

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Obama comes back at Hillary, in a wimpy kind of way.

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