The "bitter" controversy - Page 5 - Political Forum

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-14-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by calmObserver

hate is like always and never ~ if you understand what i mean

No you've failed to make your meaning clear, spell it out for me.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-14-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CaelonLafferty

It's a real shame that for the average voter, one comment like this is going to be what influences their vote, not the issues themselves.

I've heard more on the news about the latest out-of-context quotes by any or all of the candidates than I have about their stance on immigration reform, the economy, or even the war in Iraq.

What infuriates me the most is that the majority of people that I talk to don't seem to realize that the candidate their voting for is not going to represent them correctly because they haven't listened to what they say they will do.

Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton both spend a large amount of time detailing their plans for the presidency, yet all we hear is that Obama called small-town Pennsylvanians "bitter", or that Clinton exaggerated the danger she was in in Bosnia.

Not to say that the news should hold our hands - people should do their own independent research - but this type of media coverage is influencing people to vote for the most liked candidate, not the most qualified.

I've begun to think that America ALWAYS deserves the leaders it gets. Maybe we deserved Bush. McCain is nowhere near as bad as Bush (quite the opposite actually). However, if we're just going to throw away more qualified leaders on account of bullshit, then so be it. Let's do that and reap what we sow.

CaelonLafferty · 04-15-2008, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

I've begun to think that America ALWAYS deserves the leaders it gets. Maybe we deserved Bush. McCain is nowhere near as bad as Bush (quite the opposite actually). However, if we're just going to throw away more qualified leaders on account of bullshit, then so be it. Let's do that and reap what we sow.

I can't help but identify with your line of thinking. That's what sucks about democracy - the masses don't educate themselves on who they are voting for, and we end up with the most well-groomed leader in the world.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-15-2008, 03:50 AM

Well, I mainly say this because I'm just sooo used to disappointment. "My guy" has lost the past two Presidential elections. This whole thing with Obama vs Hillary has been an emotional rollercoaster for me to be quite honest. I was actually depressed a little when Obama lost in New Hampshire, and I went through all the highs and lows of his campaign.

I think I want to just stop caring so much about this race.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-15-2008, 03:54 AM

Hillary's pulled out the heavy artillery:

Obama has to hit her back HARD. Hit her with NAFTA, Mark Penn, her tax returns and Bosnia. Hit her with THE KITCHEN SINK.

CaelonLafferty · 04-15-2008, 03:56 AM

Wow, just wow. That is some pretty quick mudslinging on Hillary's part. At least she waited all of two days before she released this ad. *snicker*

AzTeK · 04-15-2008, 04:16 AM

Honestly, this is another one of those remarks that spark controversy that I simply cannot understand. When times are bad, it's simply a fact that many people turn to religion as a way to find some support. That's why in the industrialised world religion is more and more loosing ground, while in the developing world religion still plays a key role, so much that in some cases religious law even becomes state law. That's the way it is. So yes, if things are looking bad, some, many, people "cling" to religion. There's no denying that, eventhough as Obama admitted, the choice of words he used to describe this is surely a poor one.

From a European standpoint, the attitude many Americans, from what I can tell mostly in the rural areas, have towards guns can be very accurately described as "clinging" as well, so where's the problem. It's sad how people tend to let their feelings overshadow rational thinking, more often than not even.

Same goes for some of Reverend Wrights remarks as well though. Instead of analysing what's behind it and drawing conclusions that could help America in the future, all that sticks with people is "God damn America" and down Obama goes. Well, luckily it didn't work all to well, but in essence, that's the way I see it.

calmObserver · 04-15-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

No you've failed to make your meaning clear, spell it out for me.

the words always and never are too absolute, and should be used very sparingly as someone will most likely come up with an exception. same with hate. if you hate someone then how will you feel about some new person you hate even more ~ what word will you use to describe him or her?

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-15-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by calmObserver

the words always and never are too absolute, and should be used very sparingly as someone will most likely come up with an exception. same with hate. if you hate someone then how will you feel about some new person you hate even more ~ what word will you use to describe him or her?

I would say I hate them. No big deal. Or one can use modifiers. I really don't like.

Really don't like.
Dislike
Despise
Can't stand
Think poorly of
Have no respect for

If we threw Cynthia McKinney in the mix, I might say that Cynthia is a bitch and I hate Hillary. No big deal for people who are comfortable with the English language.

Truth-Bringer · 04-15-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

What pisses me off is Hillary seizing on this.

Why would you expect anything different of the Clintons? They're lying, deceptive frauds and always have been. They will seize on any opportunity whatsoever to gain or maintain their power. Nothing is off limits.

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Hillary is such a blue collar worker with blue color background that she pulled in $109 million in 10 years and she was a lawyer and wife to a governor and President. Wow, that's really blue collar. Then she goes into a bar and takes a few shots. Yeah, everytime I go into a bar it's because I want to attack my opponent and I always bring a camera crew and some politicians with me. Definitely genuine blue collar background there.

It's just another fraud on her part. She is the real elitist. They're multi-millionaires and have been in the highest political offices for decades. She does not represent "the common people" in any way, shape or form.

Financially, of all the major party candidates, Obama is the closest to a middle class background. The Clintons and the McCains are all multi-millionaires.