Originally Posted by Svante

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when i read post i n the forum, i get confuse becuase of what people say abaout Liberal and Conservative leaders.
this are what english dictionary say i n definition.

Liberal:1. a person with liberal ideas or opinions.
Liberal: 2. 1. not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes views or dogmas. free from bigotry. 2. favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad minded. 3. of, relating to, or charactristic of liberalism. 4. liberal. Abbr. Lib. of, designating, or characteristic of a political party foundd on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the UnitedStates.

Conservative: 1. one who adheres t o traditional methods or views.
Conservative: 2.1. favoring traditional views and values. tending to oppose change. 2. traditional or restrained in style. 3.moderate, cautious. 4.of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism. b. belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement. 5. conservative. of or belonging to the Conservative party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive conservative party in Canada.

when i read som posts i n the forum, people who say politicens are liberal o r conservative when there really are not by the definition. then, when you read the definition, what are s o bad abaout a liberal o r conservative? i dont think any one politicen can be complete liberal, or anothre complete conservative.

Liberal
Paul martin, Bush lap dog
Jean Chrétien, 2n d worst Lib
Pierre Trudeau, worst Lib

PC
Brian Baloney Mulroney, worst torry
Stephen Harper is best PM since Sir John Macdonald.

all of this leaders were not Liberal or conservative but a something o f both ideas. so i think when you call a politicen Liberal or Conservative, you are calling them only on one idea like économique o r social issues. so it becomes issue for voters duriing election to decide what candidate are best Liberal and Conservative. i think i t is only Dick cheney who use the word Liberal like saying the word fuck.

Originally Posted by Troianii

It's because nobody uses the dictionary definition. The dictionary doesn't shape our language. In our world there are liberal and conservative beleifs, neither of which the dictionary mentions.

You shouldn't look to the dictionary to see how to define political terms, you should look to politics. The dictionary isn't always on par. For example, I'm sure that when you were in grade school you've heard kids be called dorks. Did you ever think that the name callers actually meant to call kids penises? Because that's the dictionary definition.

Originally Posted by Svante

i f you look at politique like you say, then there are personnes use the word liberal like this are bad word or something. this happen much i n canadien histoire with Jacques Cartier and Pierre de Vauderuil. this happen now with Stephen Harper. is it wrong t o be généreuse person or to help poor people? is it wrong to chainge social programme that is bad t o make it good thing?

i n USA election Obama h e are criticise much for his issue on war i n Irak and Medical care. people say this are liberal ideas and they are bad. Obama he want to end war i n Irak. then he say he want to have medical care programme for all americans. how can this issues not b e good thing? he want to stop the war and begin programme for Medical care. Obama he are criticise for what the adversaire call liberal ideas. i see nobody criticise for conservative ideas.