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Old 04-08-2008, 12:44 AM
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BUT--regardless-i do believe that most diligent voters have already made up their minds-and this type of poll has already been on the air-this person is curious and has the right to be curious-if anyone is to blame about any split in dem votes,we can go right to hillarys door,nobody elses!!!! i for 1 have stated here and also to sen reid that if hillary steals this election i will stay home and watch the riots on tv. i am firm on that stance and don't need a poll to convince me--and if anyone thinks that after a couple of weeks everyone will get over their anger and vote democratic regardless of who gets the nomination-well that will just show you how old and yet how naive the political analyists are.you can't wake a sleeping giant and not expect it to be hungry.
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Old 04-08-2008, 12:55 AM
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And furthermore,you said it will turn dems into mccain voters,well blind is blind there mister-the conversations i have had with republicans is they will vote republican no matter what-they haven't listened to a word he has said-doesn't matter-for those that have listened mccain doesn't have a snow balls chance in hell-and then you have the die hard dems that will vote for dems no matter what--so even steven on the die hards-the pay attention crowd--OBAMA----independents--OBAMA--Republicans turned dem--OBAMA-- OBAMA WINS
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Old 04-08-2008, 01:00 AM
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BUT--regardless-i do believe that most diligent voters have already made up their minds-and this type of poll has already been on the air-this person is curious and has the right to be curious-
No one said that he does not have a right to be curious. This is a strawman argument.

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if anyone is to blame about any split in dem votes,we can go right to hillarys door,nobody elses!!!! i for 1 have stated here and also to sen reid that if hillary steals this election i will stay home and watch the riots on tv.
Who's to blame is not relevant. If you support Obama, then you don't do things to piss off Clinton supporters. You try to win them to your side.

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i am firm on that stance and don't need a poll to convince me--and if anyone thinks that after a couple of weeks everyone will get over their anger and vote democratic regardless of who gets the nomination-well that will just show you how old and yet how naive the political analyists are.you can't wake a sleeping giant and not expect it to be hungry.
I think it's naive to think that one can go and bare their ass to Clinton supporters while telling them to support Obama, and then expect them to vote for anyone but McCain.
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Old 04-08-2008, 01:03 AM
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And furthermore,you said it will turn dems into mccain voters,well blind is blind there mister-the conversations i have had with republicans is they will vote republican no matter what-they haven't listened to a word he has said-doesn't matter-for those that have listened mccain doesn't have a snow balls chance in hell-and then you have the die hard dems that will vote for dems no matter what--so even steven on the die hards-the pay attention crowd--OBAMA----independents--OBAMA--Republicans turned dem--OBAMA-- OBAMA WINS
Blind is blind and your logic makes no sense at all. Republicans may vote Republicans no matter what, but that has nothing to do with this conversation. We're talking about Hillary supporters. Maybe you should read a national poll sometime. Obama and McCain are neck and neck, and if you look at the electoral map, it's even worse. All those blacks in the South are useless to Obama, as they cannot flip any of those states blue. Even strength for Obama in a national poll over-estimates his electoral strength.
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Old 04-08-2008, 08:46 AM
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Why will Hillary supporters vote for Mccain

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OK, so it's not a poll then. You are soliciting people to say that they will not vote for Clinton, which will prompt Hillary people to do the same thing against Obama.

That's will transform Hillary voters into McCain voters. You will see.
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I think signing up not t o vote for Hillary is stupid and I don't understand why Hillary supporters would vote for Mccain. Mccain don't talk about Health care and this is suppose to be important issue for Americans. Hillary's politique are similiar t o Obamas on Health care and the war. Does this mean Hillary supporters also support the war i n Irak? Don't Americans want to end the war? It is Mccain who said he will keep the militare i n Irak for 100 years.
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I think signing up not t o vote for Hillary is stupid and I don't understand why Hillary supporters would vote for Mccain. Mccain don't talk about Health care and this is suppose to be important issue for Americans. Hillary's politique are similiar t o Obamas on Health care and the war. Does this mean Hillary supporters also support the war i n Irak? Don't Americans want to end the war? It is Mccain who said he will keep the militare i n Irak for 100 years.
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I haven't had much interaction with Hillary supporters, except for a few people on this forum who support Hillary. I've met three of them on this forum:

Big Bro, who defected to the Obama camp, it seems
Panamaniac, who remains committed to Hillary

However, the one that I really took note of was some older woman who supported Hillary and said she was going to vote for McCain if Obama won. momrobare, I believe her username is.

You don't want to fuck around and piss people like that off.
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:31 PM
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call me idealistic, but i think that it is a sad commentary on society if we as individuals must fear expressing ourselves for a candidate so as to not provoke retaliation by the supporters of the other candidate. if creating a potentially useful measuring tool is going to piss off someone, i think that says something in and of itself. my 2 cents.
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call me idealistic, but i think that it is a sad commentary on society if we as individuals must fear expressing ourselves for a candidate so as to not provoke retaliation by the supporters of the other candidate. if creating a potentially useful measuring tool is going to piss off someone, i think that says something in and of itself. my 2 cents.
I think that this is a talking point. Something which rhetorically sounds compelling, but logically doesn't follow from what's been said.

Now, you actually broke the forum anti-spam rules by advocating your site, and I was giving you a break on that. However, now that you have chosen to promote your vested interests over trying to logically win an argument, it's clear that the anti-spam rules must be enforced, and thus you are banned.


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Now that you are banned, we still need to be fair about this. If some person comes along and starts a "Sign up to NOT vote for Obama" and they try to argue their case, they will be given a free pass, unless they make similar failures as the thread started did here.


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