WeirdJoe

I agree, with you to an extent. But you're speaking from a very idealist pretext point of view. This has already happened, and it has been done by an unconstitutional entity outside of the government w/ no checks or balances. To say our country was sold out wouldn't be a fabrication. And our government policies even before the fact were leading us into a great depression, and they still are driving us into a great depression... the IRS needs to go, thats not an extreme point of view. This nation just won't survive the test of time if things continue the way they do. Especially when our current foriegn policy of bombing people into client states is a direct reflection upon our preservation through force, because our money is no longer the trade currency for oil producing nations. Im not parroting anything, but our foriegn policy is a direct result of how bad the state of the economy is. And if the economy can only get worse... so will our foreign policies and the enimies we make along the way. So which is more extreme? We need to all wake up and realize we are a terror state that has only spawned the enemies we're fighting, and its only going to continue, and worsen as we wage war with them... a war on terror is just a silly notion in itself, and the fear that has been instilled into people just proves that it always works... and we'll then in turn sacrafice our liberties, and drift towards a near totalitarian state. But as times change, weapons technologies change, and our credibility starts deminishing like it is... we're really going to suffer some consiquences down the road. We're only heightening arms races, and forcing nations to up their millitary levels and weapson production... yet we're condeming them for it... but you'll never hear the economy tied into that, or even all of it flat out denied... and its just history in repitition. I know I'll just take the one extreme over the forementioned... Ron Paul is an award winning economist... he has a pretty good grasp on it, and it will only take one extreme to reverse the other @ this point in time... gradually and he says that as well... but people need to start listening to him in full. He is the most importatnt politician right now, and needs to stop being looked @ as a trend.

NoMoreRepsDems

I also do not agree 100% with every thing Nader supports, but there are
2 VERY important services that Nader can and will do for "AMERICA" .

1) He will fight the corruption that has infested America via the REP-DEM
Monopoly. (He has a proven track record on that !!! (That alone is Worth
AT LEAST 4yrs)
2) He will brake the Monopoly the REPS&DEMS have on America !
Once American sees that there are different and better ways for the
Government to work we will be more inclined to do something about it.
And once Americans are use to voting out bad/corrupt parties any new
party will think twice before pulling the crap that the REPS&DEMS have
been pulling for the last several decades!!

JimmyFord

I could vote just about any third party candidate and they will do that. Why nader?

JimmyFord

Actually it is the opposite. YOU are talking in a very idealistic pretense. The gold standard is like communism. Works well on paper, but not in reality. Government needs to be able to print more money are critical times or else the indistribution of wealth will crush the market and throw us into a depression.

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This has already happened, and it has been done by an unconstitutional entity outside of the government w/ no checks or balances. To say our country was sold out wouldn't be a fabrication. And our government policies even before the fact were leading us into a great depression, and they still are driving us into a great depression... the IRS needs to go, thats not an extreme point of view.[quote]

Yes I agree the income tax and IRS need to go, but that does not mean that the gold standard works or we don't need taxes. I partly agree congress should resume the responsibilities the FED took, but I partly disagree. Many congressmen are not economic experts and I don't think I would trust them with figuring out when it is the right time to put money into the economy or take it out.

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This nation just won't survive the test of time if things continue the way they do. [quote]

Well thats a given. It has nothing to do with fiat currency though, as many countries with fiat currency are using it correctly and booming because of it.

No, its the opposite, our economy is a direct result of our foreign policy. We have been acting by force and fear for the last half a century. We boomed during this time, and now we are feeling its effects. Our economy is taking a dump because we pushed our foreign policy too far and made many poor choices at home.

You cannot tie our economy directly in with our foreign policy, but it is certainly related. Many other factors come into play when it comes to the economy. Deficit spending is a bigger cause to our economic crisis than iraq.

The economy will get worse because the debt spending is getting worse. Our oil monopoly is the only reason we can continue these poor spending habits. Blowback did create new enemies, and we see that now. The War On Terror is not some conspiracy to go totalitarian. It is just the war on communism with new packaging. They aren't going to rob our rights because they need the illusion that we are free. I'm not worried about giving our rights away, I'm worried about everyone sitting around saying what we are living in right now is OK.

We have heard him. We also have the common sense to know that if we went to the gold standard right now, we would fall into the biggest depression ever seen in american history. We would bottom out completely.

Ron Pauls ideas would not work in our current situation. They would work 100 years ago, but not now. He keeps saying "it worked for all those years so well" like nothing changes. Things changed. Technology changed. The worlds way of economics has changed since then. Maybe if he stopped acting like we could use economic policies from the 1800's and early 1900's, he wouldn't sound so extreme and suicidal.

I agree the politicians we have running now change nothing, and that will eventually destroy our country. Unfortunately, some of Ron Pauls ideas for change would crash this country into the ground as well.