lifesaver

the government is only as good as we the people let them be-we have over the years become so complacent that sometimes people vote candidates into office without doing any research,it is always baffling to me to ask someone who they voted for and they say,oh i just picked 1, i don't really care. i am really impressed this year to see the enthusiasm that obama has risen,and i do hope that more of us keep involved after the election, if we are all watchdogs for our elected officials i think we can keep corruption down to a minimum

JimmyFord

Im not voting for nader, he is an idiot. His views don't fit with mine just about at all. Ron Paul is simply too extreme and some of the things he wants to do simply don't work. Far as I am concerned, there isn't a politician out there who is grounded to reality and is for the people.

WeirdJoe

People call Ron Paul extreme all the time, please tell me how is he extreme? He just wants to follow the very law of the land as intended to be, and that is said to be, but isn't. I read his foreign policy book this past week, and I have a lot more respect for the man than ever, he's a very rational man with wisdom that is on par with that of the founding fathers, and countless other men of wisdom with historical perspective into foreign affairs, and economies. What he's saying is what we're doing is extreme, and it wont last forever, and will end very badly... but we're bringing it all upon ourselves. To me thats a bit more extreme to me.

Big Brother

Hmmm.. That's a difference of 180 billion. If cutting the budget is the most important thing to you, then I think the choice would be obvious.


That said, I agree with your thesis.


Bro

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AzTeK

Concicely put, I think that people in the US and around the world put too much hope into the US president. The US president, if he was to do what he's supposed to do (aka "follow the goddamn constitution") really only has a rather limited field on which he can excercise power, and honestly, that's a good thing. Sad thing it's not being adhered to.

I'd say the US president has become more powerful than he was ever meant to be, and, as with the FED, so much power concentrated on one institution (extremely put, even just one person) is never good.

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JimmyFord

The gold standard does not work. It is an obsolete system. In a world of globalization and growing market, the gold standard would cause another great depression. It is one of the main reasons the great depression was not stopped. We The People act would prohibit the supreme court from ruling on any cases regarding religion. He is extreme when it comes to cutting the budget.

I agree with his foreign policy, and if we were voting based on that alone, I would be all for him. We are not though. Alot of issues he is far too extreme on. When it comes to drug laws, he is too extreme in his stance. I use to be a supporter of his but I found that he was just too radical when it came to the economy. The economy is a really big issue with me, and his stances would not help it.

Although I agree we need to cut programs I don't see a comprehensive plan from him in how he is going to go about doing it. I see all the things he is going to cut, but how is he going to go about doing it is my issue.

He is not the point of this thread though. The point is how insignificant the president is, yet how many people act like we are voting for dictator of the united states. Like it was the only election that matters or something.

Ron Paul wouldn't bring about the changes necessary to better this country, nor would any other candidate running.

JimmyFord

Yeah, ron paul or giuliani, since they were the only two candidates running that cut the budget. Mccain increases it, obama and clinton just increase it more. They are still all increasing it, so they are all equally worthless in my eyes.

calmObserver

absolutely ~ by then brits no longer had control of discourse either.

still the vatos provided troops by the millions to fight and die in far off lands that nothing to do with their well being ~ so it does show what can happen when a small group has control of discourse.

and don't think that it cannot happen or is not happening in the u.s. of a either

WeirdJoe

I strongly disagree, and the new deal did nothing but heighten the great depression. Gold has and always will be the backing to paper money, which when it doesnt turns into FIAT money. We're letting the Fed unconstitutionaly counterfiet money and its indebting us as a nation. And when you look all through history, that was reason number 1 of a fallen global empire, from within and the economy, not an outside force. And we just happen to be borrowing and indebting ourselves to a millitary enemy and probably the up and coming next big influence on the world economy (China). Our economy is just a falsified notion of whatever it is right now, and nothing more... the only real thing is huge debt. And it was manipulated in that fahsion by a sepperate entity of the government, the very one the founding fathers said would tear apart the government before any standing army... a centralized banking system. Its happened all through history... its just our chapter right now.

JimmyFord

Ok for starters, gold backed dollar is what caused the government to be unable to act during the great depression. People started pulling all their money out and the government couldn't print more money so the cash flow in the market came to a hault, causing a further dive.

The system of fiat money isn't the problem, it is the people who abuse it when put into power. This day and age calls for a fiat money system. What it doesn't call for is the abuse of such a system.

Not to mention you sound like your parroting a Ron Paul speech or something. You act like I've never heard this argument before or something. Without a fiat money system, we would be in a great depression right now, remember that.