Hillary attempts to disenfranchise voters - Political Forum

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-05-2008, 04:43 PM

The US does not have a system of direct vote. The primary system is similar to the electoral college in that we do not directly elect a politician, we elect people who elect politicians.

Voter (US Population) -> Elector (Delegate) -> President/Congressman or woman

Hillary has now asked the delegates to ignore the votes of the people who voted for them to vote for Obama and to vote for her instead.

Hillary Clinton opposes democracy.

ABC News: Clinton Asks N.D. Delegates to Switch Votes

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Clinton and Obama Fight for N.D. Votes -- Again
Clinton Asks Obama's Pledged Delegates to Switch
By ELOISE HARPER and SUNLEN MILLER
April 5, 2008

Sen. Hillary Clinton made a blunt appeal to North Dakota delegates to switch their support to her, despite the fact that Sen. Barack Obama handily defeated her in the state's caucus in February.

In an indication of how tense the battle has become for each Democratic delegate, Obama abandoned the campaign trail in Pennsylvania and scooted to North Dakota for the state party's annual dinner last night, despite the fact that he's already won 14 of the state's 21 delegates as well as six of the state's seven superdelegates.

The two candidates also will battle for votes tonight in Butte, Mont., when Democrats there hold their annual dinner. The Montana primary, which offers only a handful of delegates, is scheduled for June.

Clinton made it clear to North Dakota Democrats last night that she believes there is no such thing as a pledged delegate and highlighted that stubborn streak in her appeal for delegates to switch from Obama to her when the Democratic national party holds its nominating convention this August.

prrriiide · 04-05-2008, 06:01 PM

Hildebeast opposes anything that doesn't feed her overarching, all-consuming narcicissim. That's one big reason I won't vote for it.

mkimkilop · 04-05-2008, 06:18 PM

ur just a Obama supporter wut can i expect. He won in the unimportant states (hardcore Red states) and why should they decide our nonomee. Second of all if ur guy Obama is so in support of demorcary than how come him and his people blocked revotes in Florda and Michigan if he cares so much about demorcary. He's just knows she'll win decisfly in Florda and Michigan and that would put her ahead in the pop vote. So if he cares about demorcarcy so much than tell him to allow revotes.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-05-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mkimkilop

ur just a Obama supporter wut can i expect.

Discuss the issue, not your opponent.

Kazikli Bey · 04-05-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mkimkilop

So if he cares about demorcarcy so much than tell him to allow revotes.

There are rules in a democracy, just as any other state, if you wish to break them, you will be punished, just like those states were.

mkimkilop · 04-05-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

Discuss the issue, not your opponent.

Ok fine we'll leave the candiats out but isn't it a little hippocritical for you 2 critize her for going aginst democracy when he won't allow revotes. There go he is just as guilty of destroying demorcarcy as she is.

mkimkilop · 04-05-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazikli Bey

There are rules in a democracy, just as any other state, if you wish to break them, you will be punished, just like those states were.

Ok fine I'll give u that they broke the rules ok. But how is it fair 2 not count their votes just becase their legslators voted 2 change the dates of their praimaries. No1 asked the people of Flordia and Michigan if they wanted to move up the dates their leglsator did. So how is it fair 2 punish the votes 4 the mistackes of their state reps. Now I'm not sayin it should go unpunished why can't we count half their delegats like the republicans did as a punishment for moving up the pramries.

Chesty Puller · 04-05-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mkimkilop

Ok fine we'll leave the candiats out but isn't it a little hippocritical for you 2 critize her for going aginst democracy when he won't allow revotes. There go he is just as guilty of destroying demorcarcy as she is.

Your missing his point here notice your use of the word "you"....thats discussing the poster and not the issue.

And no it is not a hypocritical stance to follow the process by which officials are elected. Those two states knowing broke the rules by starting early and they were warned. I fail to see how this is Obamas fault for asking that the election stay as pure by the rules as it can be.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-05-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mkimkilop

Ok fine we'll leave the candiats out

I'm not Obama. The forum rules say discuss the issue not your opponent. Unless you think I am Barack Obama, then there's no reason to leave the candidates out.

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Originally Posted by mkimkilop

but isn't it a little hippocritical for you 2 critize her for going aginst democracy when he won't allow revotes. There go he is just as guilty of destroying demorcarcy as she is.

Obama did not disallow revotes. The Florida revote was out of the question. The entire state government there is Republican and they were the ones blocking the re-vote.

As for Michigan, that failed for two reasons: (1) a judge struck down a motion to find out who already voted, which was essential to having a re-vote and (2) they would not allow everyone to re-vote (they wanted to disqualify independents and repubs who voted in the first primary). So it's not that Obama would not allow a re-vote, but a judge stopped the re-vote and Hillary and the state laws prevented a fair revote.

Lastly, I believe you have failed to address Hillary's disenfranchising of voters here. Do you approve of disenfranchising voters to help Hillary?

libertarian0507 · 04-05-2008, 11:16 PM

Is it not true that Obama was not even on the ballet in the Florida primary? So to retroactively allow those delegates for Clinton would to be to deny the right of Obama to campaign in that state. This is not fair, and it is not right. The only solution to the states breaking the rules is to disqualify thier votes altogether. If you can`t do it right, don`t do it at all. Clinton though, seems to ignore these things,and would gladly ignore these rules if it benefits her campaign.Despicable.