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Old 04-07-2008, 09:14 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Probably the kind of idiot who regularly hears campaigns against America from government or media sources. And who is too poor to have regular access to media.

If I were them I still wouldn't trust America, we've been treating black people like equals for less than 30 years. And many people/areas are still heavily rascist. Do you trust that there will not be another genocide in Rwanda?

People are always more inclined to listen to the negative things, but a black face as your spokesman cannot be ignored.
Point taken, But those who have vested interests in lying about America will continue to do so.

The "black face" might tip some people off to the truth but it will be minor and once he is gone, in 4 years or 8 the liars will still be there.

Still I have some hope that at least in America it would discredit a lot of the myths of how racist America is.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:03 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Labels, like "Liberal", "Conservative", "Moderate", etc. are handy but not helpful.
None of our recent (say, 50 years worth of) presidents, no matter what their party or level of conservatism/liberalism has had his approach.

Which you are assuming will work. And considering his not being a white male and his ethnic sounding name that optimism will IMO certainly be present in many places in the world, such as Palestine for example.

But a fresh approach will not change the underlying conflict of interests that are the basis for, well, conflict. For example America will still have tremendous cultural, religious, ethnic and political ties to Isreal. Obama is not going to solve the problems of palestinian territories. He will raise expectations, that will be disappointed and result in increased anger at the US.

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I do remember Jimmy Carter. The level of scorn he inspired abroad was no more than average for an American president - a tiny fraction of what our current administration has inspired.

Jimmy Carter was a liberal and tried to change how America dealt with the world. The problem with this is it assumes that America is in control of the situation. Carter learned this was wrong when the Soviets invaded Afganistan. What would Obama have done? Talked to them? Asked them to leave?

President Obama would have to deal with people who are our enemy and who do not want to resolve differances with us except by their terms and at our expense. Or the expense of our allies. Jimmy Carter was willing to suck up many such retreats, the Panamal Canal, Iran, Nicaragua.

How many retreats will President Obama submitt to?



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America has always been a racist nation. Great progress has been made. We do not countenance the levels of racism that were widely accepted just a few decades ago, but there's a ways to go yet.

We are possibly on the verge of electing a black man with a muslim sounding name to the most powerful office in the world and you are still calling the US a racist nation!

THis reinforces my belief that the idea of America as a racist nation is a myth that satisfies some need in people and will never be given up!

And supports my arguement that even when we have a black president it won't matter!

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If America was not a racist nation, nobody but Obama would have a chance.
What?!


Obama is so great that that racism is the only reason America might not elect him?

Do you really want to stand by that statment?!

I have seen much of Obama that would make him an attractive canidate, for the democrats, but please fill me in on what makes him that great.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:27 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Half black doesn't cut it in America

I have been shocked at the number of my neighbors and friends who suddenly became bigots. It was something that had not been discussed in the past. Mos of them are Republicans and have admitted that the Bush Administration lacks rational and ethical plans. I haven't been able to vote for a Republican since Bush 41 became a ONE WORLD ORDER leader.

When I mention Obama's name my old friends whisper that he is black; as if I didn't notice. My opinions have not changed and I still believe he is a better man of character than McCain. What has changed is I now realize the bigotry and hypocrisy of the GOP, adding my frieds into that category.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:43 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I have been shocked at the number of my neighbors and friends who suddenly became bigots. It was something that had not been discussed in the past. Mos of them are Republicans and have admitted that the Bush Administration lacks rational and ethical plans. I haven't been able to vote for a Republican since Bush 41 became a ONE WORLD ORDER leader.

When I mention Obama's name my old friends whisper that he is black; as if I didn't notice. My opinions have not changed and I still believe he is a better man of character than McCain. What has changed is I now realize the bigotry and hypocrisy of the GOP, adding my frieds into that category.
Really? The only mention I have heard from my friends (mostly Republicans ) about his race is that we still hope the first black president is a republican.

My one friend, who is a police detective was always a big Colin Powell guy, but unfortunatly he did not decide to run.

I myself am kind of hoping Rice gets the VP nod. I think she would make a fine President after McCain.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:46 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Point taken, But those who have vested interests in lying about America will continue to do so.

The "black face" might tip some people off to the truth but it will be minor and once he is gone, in 4 years or 8 the liars will still be there.

Still I have some hope that at least in America it would discredit a lot of the myths of how racist America is.
I don't think it really will discredit anything though, the only thing that does is time.

I do however think it will go a long way to making people in America less racist. I do not know about you but where I am from racism is still very much prevalent.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:51 AM   #46 (permalink)
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When I think of Republicans I think of only one color, GREEN
Green paper with dead presidents that is.
In my opinion the white bigots of America are becoming a minority.
Racism and bigotry is on all sides of the spectrum,until people see people for who they are and not what they are this will remain a problem in America
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:14 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I don't think it really will discredit anything though, the only thing that does is time.

I do however think it will go a long way to making people in America less racist. I do not know about you but where I am from racism is still very much prevalent.
It is evident from Obama's success that America is not racist. A racist America would not place a black man over themselves.

This obvious fact is ignored.

The polls show him doing better than the white liberal in a race against McCain.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:26 AM   #48 (permalink)
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It is evident from Obama's success that America is not racist. A racist America would not place a black man over themselves.

This obvious fact is ignored.

The polls show him doing better than the white liberal in a race against McCain.
It depends entirely on the area, America is not a country with one opinion. Just look at the results of some of the exit polls (the page is gone now so all thats left is the google cache)
Exit poll shows Obama wins little white support in Mississippi presidential contest

Among whites, a quarter said they considered race when deciding their vote. Eight in 10 of them voted for Clinton.

This would seem to suggest that nearly a quarter of democratic whites in Mississippi are against Obama because of his race. Granted they only said they had considered race, but it still gives you a idea of their racial inclinations.

Also, from what I've seen hes still slightly behind Mccain.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:33 AM   #49 (permalink)
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It depends entirely on the area, America is not a country with one opinion. Just look at the results of some of the exit polls (the page is gone now so all thats left is the google cache)
Exit poll shows Obama wins little white support in Mississippi presidential contest

Among whites, a quarter said they considered race when deciding their vote. Eight in 10 of them voted for Clinton.

This would seem to suggest that nearly a quarter of democratic whites in Mississippi are against Obama because of his race. Granted they only said they had considered race, but it still gives you a idea of their racial inclinations.

Also, from what I've seen hes still slightly behind Mccain.
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But the fact he does better than his white rival demostrates that racism is not a factor in that.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:54 PM   #50 (permalink)
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color makes no difference-gender makes no difference-obama is all about change and us being more involved with government - i would love to see a woman prez,but hillary is not the woman to do it-she is untruthful and too self absorbed-i have more of a problem with the age thing here with mccain--among other things. one good thing that i am seeing in government already is i have contacted sen reid and sen heller from nevada and both have personally gotten back to me within a few days,answered my questions and both really appreciated my involvement and opinion.both said if you truly want change it requires more than 1 e-mail or phone call,it requires commitment always
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