Those on the far left, like those on the far right are certify politically insane. They love the sound of their own voices more than the constitution and what it hope to attain. ACLU has really gone over the edge in recent years.

Oh really? Can you cite a case?

The ACLU is the foremost defender of the Constitution in America today and without them many of our rights would have long since been lost. I would actually like to see them take on more issues such as undeclared war and federal programs that are not supported by the enumerated powers of congress.

Oh ,they have been against religious display on public property, which didn't harm anyone. Oh, against the rights of a school principal to censor school newspaper. Oh, saiding that the burning of a KKK cross should only be punishable only where there was a true threat to the safety of another person.

They have done alot good stuff don't get me wrong. Sometime they just go over the top. This has be problem with alot group like ACLU, including some of mine so-call black leaders. I support the ACLU, but sometimes they leave me shaking mine head.

Those are valid constitutional issues related to the 1st Amendment.

Do you have a problem with the separation of church and state or do you believe that the government should endorse specific religions?

Do you have a problem with freedom of speech and/or expression? It is easy to allow someone to speak or express themselves when you agree with what they are saying or doing but the Right means that you must support the same right of someone that you disagree with.

These are fundamental rights that America was founded upon. Do you seriously have a problem with them?

I would say that lies somewhere in between a story repeated 100 times to the point of not even resembling the original facts, and an outright fabrication by someone along the line. "A friend of a friend" is usually the least trustworthy of sources. Were that to happen at an ACLU party, the person uttering those words would be, at best, unceremoniously escorted to the curb. More likely, they would be pilloried in the press and made the target of the full force and weight of the the ACLU and their lobby.

The ACLU exists for one reason and one reason only: that is; to ensure that the rights enumerated in the constitution are applied equally to all without prejudice or contrivance, no matter how distasteful the exercise of the right by the person in question might be.

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I reject your reality and substitute my own.

Every feeling you've ever felt can be found in the works of Beethoven, Bruckner, Mahler, and Wagner.

The Constitution was forged out of political difference. What we got out of the Constitutional Conference was major compromise of opposing ideologies. Essentially a treaty of 13 different countries leaning left, right, pro-slavery, anti-slavery, federalist, republican, Whig, atheist, pious, separatist and empire driven. That is why so much is ambiguous. They realized there was no document that could encompass a nation so large. That is why it is in the document to allow all things not specifically in the Constitution to fall in the realm of states rights. With the politicians being power driven they must all bend the Constitution in order to have more. They take the ambiguity of the document and skew things in the favor of their base.

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'Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.'

~ Thomas Jefferson

64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

Are you calling me a liar, priiiiide?

Do you want me to name their names? I can if you want. The friend who told me this works in a bookstore I frequent. He has written movie and band reviews for local independent papers & magazines here in Atlanta for decades; one of his editors, who edits a free music mag here called Stomp and Stammer, is the one who attended the ACLU party.

Jane Fonda lives here in Atlanta, I don't know if her daughter resides her or not. Her daughter, Vanessa, is a member of the Workers' Revolutionary Party.
I wasn't there, but from what I heard, they did not escort her to the curb for saying that we should scrap the Constitution, they applauded her.

I have no way to prove this, its just something that my friend told me last week. I really resent your implication that I would just make something like this up, I always make a point to avoid spreading around a lot of BS in my posts (as many posters seem to do).

If a community is 90% southern baptists and their government official choose to have a nativity scene in their lobby, how is that a threat to the separation of church and state? A small minority ( less than 1 % ) of atheists complain saided it offending them. So these citizens working in their government building couldn't even said Merry Christmas because a small group found it form of mental cruelty. And if a muslim or a jew felt left out, let us ceberate their religion. I have to no problem with people or government showing religious items celebrating a event. Only communist counrty's government ban religious stuff. So you are for the tyranny of the few over the many? You wish us to be more like Russia huh? HUH! Yes I can get hysterical too if you want to go there. The only rights a high schooler has is the right of protection, general well-being and education. If they want to publish something that isn,t allow in their school paper run a underground newspaper like the high schoolers did in the sixities or hit the internet. We are more worry about their rights, then their falling SAT score or them getting shot on their way to school. Even if no one is harmed in mine family, if someone burn a cross in mine yard they will get a ass full of lead. They can get the ACLU to sue me for denial of rights. You let people disrespect a group or person how far do you think future transgression will go? Can you said Jim Crow or the Jewish Genocide or Pol Pot? I WILL SAID IT AGAIN. THE ACLU HAVE DONE GOOD. 98% OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE DONE I HAVE AGREED WITH IT. I have a problem with you getting hysterical with me cause I don't agree 100 % with them. Hell I don't agree 100% with mine own momma,but I still support her.

Can we get back to the original question?