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Old 03-19-2008, 09:52 PM
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Hillary is going down!

like I mentioned earlier she had knowledge of her husbands plans and guess what now it is out in the open. She needs to quit now! But that is just my thoughts.
She talks of the party so let her prove she care mor eabout people and the party and quit. This is part of th ereason we suffwer this mess today. And I bet they find more on her.


First lady records show Clinton promoted NAFTA By Steve Holland
Wed Mar 19, 6:05 PM ET

First lady records show Clinton promoted NAFTA - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton now argues that the North American Free Trade Agreement needs to be renegotiated, but newly released records showed on Wednesday she promoted its passage.

The National Archives and the Clinton presidential library jointly released more than 11,000 pages of Clinton's daily schedule as first lady from 1993 to 2001.

The release came in response to charges that she is overly secretive, and also allowed her campaign to promote her argument that she gained valuable White House experience during her years as first lady.

Clinton and Obama are battling to win Pennsylvania on April 22, the next contest in a closely fought campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination to face Republican John McCain in the November election.

The documents clearly indicated that Clinton had a powerful role at the White House, frequently meeting foreign leaders and presiding over meetings.

The NAFTA agreement, linking trade between the United States, Canada and Mexico, was considered a major accomplishment by President Bill Clinton in 1994.

But now many Americans blame the agreement for the loss of thousands of U.S. manufacturing jobs.

NAFTA has become such an issue on the Democratic presidential campaign trail that both Clinton and rival Barack Obama have vowed to renegotiate it.

The former first lady's records showed first lady Clinton worked on behalf of the accord.

Among the thousands of details of daily life for Clinton, there was a November 10, 1993, entry -- a "NAFTA Briefing drop-by," in Room 450 of the executive office building next door to the White House, closed to the news media.

Approximately 120 people were expected to attend the briefing, and Clinton was to be introduced by White House aide Alexis Herman for brief remarks concluding the program.

LEWINSKY, RICH REMINDERS

The documents, while a mundane accounting of Clinton's daily movements, brought back some reminders of the Clintons' White House tenure.

On January 26, 1998, for example, the day Bill Clinton declared "I did not have sexual relations with that woman," Monica Lewinsky, first lady Clinton had a busy day, including a round-table discussion with students from her alma mater, Wellesley College.

Later she went to New York for an education event, and spent the night at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel. The weather forecast on that day's schedule said, "Mostly cloudy. High 37. Low 27.

When Hillary Clinton appeared at a January 1999 event at the Kennedy Center, it was Beth Dozoretz who escorted her to her seat, according to the records.

Dozoretz two years later was reportedly linked to a last-minute drive that succeeded in persuading President Clinton to grant a pardon to fugitive financier Marc Rich, a decision that has haunted Clinton in his post-White House days.

The documents also showed the first lady got herself quickly immersed in what would be a failed attempt to revamp the U.S. health care system.

Clinton's first known meeting to discuss health care came just three days after President Clinton's January 20, 1993, inauguration, according to the records.

(To read more about the U.S. political campaign, visit Reuters "Tales from the Trail: 2008" online at http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/

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Old 03-19-2008, 10:00 PM
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I had a thought. Somewhat related to this. I'm still reeling so much from Obama's pastor comments, that I still don't know if Obama can capitalize on this. All's I would say is this: the Democrat Party needs to reformulate their nomination rules.

Superdelegates should probably be eliminated, and the other states should move their primaries up so that this shit is over by May at least.
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Old 03-19-2008, 10:26 PM
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I bet the dates and whereabouts of Hollary on the day the FBI files were found in the WH have all been redacted.
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Old 03-19-2008, 10:56 PM
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I had a thought. Somewhat related to this. I'm still reeling so much from Obama's pastor comments, that I still don't know if Obama can capitalize on this. All's I would say is this: the Democrat Party needs to reformulate their nomination rules.

Superdelegates should probably be eliminated, and the other states should move their primaries up so that this shit is over by May at least.
Why are you reeling in what this Rev said. I'm sorry but some of what he said is true. But this is such a non issue to me. Obama was far ahead in the polls until this. Someone wants to take him out. So much politics involved. People are scared of taking a risk on an Afircan American. I still feel he is the only one who can unite our country. Do we really want more of Bill and Hillary. I don't. And poor McCain is just too old.
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Old 03-19-2008, 11:43 PM
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I find it a bit more than a coincidence that McCain is out of the country during all this Rev Wright controversy.

Maybe McCain needs a taste of this media trashing with the same sort of scrutiny over his refusal to denounce his own POS homophobe, anti Catholic scum minister, Ted Haggard.
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Old 03-19-2008, 11:46 PM
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Why are you reeling in what this Rev said. I'm sorry but some of what he said is true. But this is such a non issue to me. Obama was far ahead in the polls until this. Someone wants to take him out. So much politics involved. People are scared of taking a risk on an Afircan American. I still feel he is the only one who can unite our country. Do we really want more of Bill and Hillary. I don't. And poor McCain is just too old.
That's fine for YOU, who are probably an educated liberal. I'm also very educated and non-white. However, the swing voters are not college educated and they are white. So we on this forum (who are mostly college educated folks) can say whatever we please. Doesn't mean shit. We don't represent Average Joe Sixpack voter.

I do disapprove of what Obama did. He should have gotten out of that church a long time ago. The US is not the US "KKK" of A. We are not the same as Al Qaeda. It's wrong to say "God damn the USA". It's wrong and fucking deplorable. It's bitter and pathetic.

Obama says he represents unity. By making that idiot such a central part of his life he destroys the unity he's supposed to represent. Obama has defeated the fundamental message and the fundamental appeal he constantly makes to voters. Rev. Wright is the opposite of unity. Obama has fundamentally damaged his credibility on his signature issue.


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Hello HartParr just a clarification my friend Ted Haggard is not McCain's minister
Ted Haggard was a pastor at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado , witch is a part of the charismatic movement .Where McCain is baptist an attends church at north phoenix baptist church in Arizona . the two churches have a completely different theological approach . just a little info bud ok
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Old 03-20-2008, 01:50 AM
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I agree but add this.

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I had a thought. Somewhat related to this. I'm still reeling so much from Obama's pastor comments, that I still don't know if Obama can capitalize on this. All's I would say is this: the Democrat Party needs to reformulate their nomination rules.

Superdelegates should probably be eliminated, and the other states should move their primaries up so that this shit is over by May at least.
I can agree with that. All voters must have their votes counted or no election and more Bush.
But you need to read what I have posted from the book FREE LUNCH. Mr. Johnston makes it plain to much power has gone to the parties. And you have just agreed with him and me. And with politics to much power is a very bad thing. This thread is just a simple result of that truth.

W.E.B. and all members please read it all just about 20 pages so far. But very revealing. I can't understand why every member hasn't read it yet.

And I doubt I will post another page till they do.

Or is this membership as much the many clowns of that other site we won't mention? There are some real people there but for the most part just opinion posters, who need no facts or reasons to post except the numbers.
Really you all seem to have brains, and I respect every poster and post I have read here. Yet to not prepare yourself and view the truth isn't real smart is it?
To put it another way who here has been in the know these last 30+ years? If any of you have been average Americans then the answer is simple you don't know a thing that has been done behind your backs. Because you didn't care as politics put you off. But to think nothing changed is stupid! While we were't watching they stoled your govt. and treasury. And how can it be repaired if you don't know what they did?
And now today and tomorrow you will read, hea ror feel the results of the changes.
You have seen them many times in the past. Yet never had the real answer!
Now you do so what is keeping each of you from this knowledge?
I have gone a sfar as I will on eithe rforum. I have a blog and thats where I will go. And if I feel that isn't working then to hell with caring anu more! I go tmine why bother trying to help those that don't want the help they don't even know they need. My time is of value to me. And I won't waste it.

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Old 03-20-2008, 09:39 AM
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Hello HartParr just a clarification my friend Ted Haggard is not McCain's minister
Ted Haggard was a pastor at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado , witch is a part of the charismatic movement .Where McCain is baptist an attends church at north phoenix baptist church in Arizona . the two churches have a completely different theological approach . just a little info bud ok
Ok bud, thanks. No really, thanks.

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"Well I think it's important to note that pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy supports what I stand for and believe in. When he endorses me, it does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for and believes. And I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee's spiritual leadership to thousands of people and I am proud of his commitment to the independence and the freedom of the state of Israel. That does not mean that I support or endorse or agree with some of the things that Pastor John Hagee might have said or positions that he may have taken on other issues. I don't have to agree with everyone who endorses my candidacy. They are supporting my candidacy. I am not endorsing some of their positions."
John McCain is agreeing with Hagees positions in this sentence. Like Bill Clinton, I guess his defense is he didn't "inhale." The man is a complete phony. Homophobe, anti Catholic, hatemonger.
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Old 03-21-2008, 01:38 AM
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WELL, okay after getting past all the rhetoric,and the brow beating-much of what you wrote after made sense-you are never wasting your time expressing your opinion- and yes i agree we have all been far too complacent for a long time-and yes the government has made a lot of grevious errors which is coming out of the wash big time-gees bush is laying awake nights thinking(WHY IS THIS SHIT COMING OUT NOW_I ONLY HAVE 10 MONTHS LEFT TO GO) he no more gives a shit today than he did when the supreme court voted him in office.
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