McCain says Iraq would pose a grave threat to the world if we left - Page 4 - Political Forum

Shiva_TD · 03-20-2008, 03:05 PM

I find it amazing that people would even say that Iraq, which did not present a world threat under Saddam, could possibly present a threat without Saddam. It is so illogical that it defies description.

Kansas_Boy · 03-20-2008, 04:36 PM

WEB proposes a phased withdrawal that has us out by 2018. Okay, fine...let's play along with that.

Do we think it's possible that in a matter of 10 years we can stabilize the region so drastically that when we leave in 10 years, things will be OK?

And that goes back to my original question:

What's the difference if we leave now or leave in 10 years?

Can Iraq, in 10 years time, become a country that is unified and strong enough to defend itself against the crazies who surround it?

If not, and in 2018 when we leave, the place erupts into chaos, what was the point of us staying for so long - sacrificing even more lives and more treasure?

There is no easy answer to the Iraq question. Bush got us into a terrible situation which we really have no good options when it comes to getting out.

We are stuck...no way around it.

calmObserver · 03-20-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiva_TD

Actually considering the history of the Iraqi People I would say the following would be likely to happen.

The Sunnis and Shia come to terms with each other and overthrow the existing government and replace it with a theocracy.

The Iraqis oust any terrorists from the country (they've always hated terrorists anyway).

The Kurds attempt to rebel but the Iraqi government sends troops to put down their rebellion. Turkey comes to the Iraqi government's aid to supress the Kurds.

The Iraqi People get water, electricity and gasoline.

Iran establishes diplomatic relations with the new government.

The US refused to establish diplomatic relations with the new government.

But, of course, most of this is simply based upon an understanding of the real situation in Iraq and the Iraqi people.

sounds about right to me shiva.

calmObserver · 03-20-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kansas_Boy

What's the difference if we leave now or leave in 10 years?...

after ussr afghanistan left we could have had moderate theocracy instead we diddled and ended up with taliban. rest assured the longer we wait the worse it will be ~ for everyone except the radicals that is