Fair is fair. Why hasn't McCain rejected Hagees endorsement? - Political Forum

HartParr · 03-16-2008, 06:27 PM

I'll tell you why. Because like it or not, he has no hope of winning without their votes. They hold the keys to the limo and if he wants a ride he has to maintain Decider Bush's policies intact. So McBush has morphed from one kind of person, to another, just for votes and cash. Women in Las Vegas are who sell themselves for cash and a free ride are called what?

wes445 · 03-16-2008, 06:46 PM

That the nature of the beast. Bush used the evangelicals like the Democrat used Blacks and union members. Evangelicals are turning away from the republican party as the others are disgusted with the democrats. These two parties have more similarities then different in shafting the american people. This system is due for major overhaul. Should Bush be more critical of the evangelicals? Why should he? He got what he wanted, the white house. Like toilet paper, he used them and tossed them away.

Mooboy · 03-16-2008, 06:48 PM

Yup... and the radio talk show hosts and their fans, and the economic conservatives (he opposed the Bush tax cuts twice, changed his mind, and now supports another big tax cut if elected), and the illegal immigration conservatives (backtracked on that). I think there's a couple more issues he's changed his mind on very recently.

The real question is, if elected, would he govern as a moderate or a conservative? At heart, i think he's a hawkish moderate, but as soon as a politician gets elected, they have to position themselves for the next election. It's not in his best interest to alienate his base. With McCain you don't really know what your getting.

I have to say though, there's no current candidate that i really dislike or that i'd have a problem with as president. Surprisingly my lifelong Republican grandfather feels the same way. Unless McCain chooses a really bad VP and then dies, i'm not going to be that unhappy with the election results no matter what.

Mooboy · 03-16-2008, 06:56 PM

"Like toilet paper, he used them and tossed them away."

But he gave them their scraps- like ultra conservative supreme court judges and blocking embrionic stem cell research- things that the American people, as a whole, wouldn't have wanted.

wes445 · 03-16-2008, 06:56 PM

Sorry that McBush was meant about McCain? He wont but he will said pass the toilet paper george.

wes445 · 03-16-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooboy

"Like toilet paper, he used them and tossed them away."

But he gave them their scraps- like ultra conservative supreme court judges and blocking embrionic stem cell research- things that the American people, as a whole, wouldn't have wanted.

Not the big one repeal the pro-abortion law, which was never do able

HartParr · 03-18-2008, 02:28 PM

Politics demands that sometimes the hypocrisy of a candidate or his following be reminded of it.

While rejecting *some* of Hagees comments about Catholics, McCain has not given an outright rejection of Hagees endorsement of him.

Obama did so with Farrakhan.

Time is now for McCain to tell Hagee he's not interested in his endorsement.

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Very much like Farrakhan, Hagee has regularly made remarks about current events and other religions that many would find alarming. But unlike Farrakhan, he has never truly faced the scrutiny of the mainstream press, and major politicians like Joe Lieberman and John McCain have freely associated with him.

But McCain refuses:

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"Well I think it's important to note that pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy supports what I stand for and believe in. When he endorses me, it does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for and believes. And I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee's spiritual leadership to thousands of people and I am proud of his commitment to the independence and the freedom of the state of Israel. That does not mean that I support or endorse or agree with some of the things that Pastor John Hagee might have said or positions that he may have taken on other issues. I don't have to agree with everyone who endorses my candidacy. They are supporting my candidacy. I am not endorsing some of their positions."

So a huge double standard exists in the RNC and it's flock in that they DEMAND things of Obama that they don't from McCain.

HartParr · 03-20-2008, 01:54 PM

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I have also always believed, like you, in the wisdom of Ronald Reagan, who warned in an address to this conference in 1975, that "a political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell its numbers."

Does this mean John has no regrets about associating with hate mongers like Hagee?

Maybe John means well but he's not exactly holding to his word.

173grunt · 03-20-2008, 02:54 PM

4 words many forget. "Free Will Of Choice" is the news so little that they can't find anything else to talk about. Gee I have a lot they haven't touched. And it would mean more than the crap the news puts out these days.