Hillary cheating in the nomination process by going after Obama's pledged delegates - Political Forum

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 03-16-2008, 06:14 PM

Here's Hillary, trying to take your vote and change it from a vote to Obama to a vote for Hillary. It's tantamount to prying open the voting box, throwing out Obama votes and putting Hillary votes in their place. Wow, I want to be a member of the Democrat Party if she wins.

A Delegate Loophole? | Newsweek Periscope | Newsweek.com

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A Delegate Loophole?
By Michael Isikoff | NEWSWEEK
Mar 24, 2008 Issue | Updated: 11:42 a.m. ET Mar 15, 2008

Citing wiggle room in an obscure, 26-year-old Democratic Party rule, Hillary Clinton's campaign is leaving the door open to the idea of attempting to persuade Barack Obama's pledged delegates to switch their votes at the last minute and back the New York senator—despite fears among some party officials that it could throw this summer's Denver convention into chaos.

The question of whether pledged delegates must stick to the candidate they were elected to vote for has prompted party chatter for weeks. Clinton herself drew notice last week during a NEWSWEEK interview when she said her delegate numbers aren't "bleak at all," even though by most counts she trails Obama by more than 100. "Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay with whomever they are pledged to," she added. Although her campaign quickly denied it was waging any effort to "flip" Obama's pledged delegates, Clinton's remarks weren't academic. After the 1980 battle between Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy, her chief strategist Harold Ickes noted, the party changed a rule that required pledged delegates to stick with their candidates no matter what. The current rule, adopted in 1982, states that pledged delegates "shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them." A "good conscience" reason for a delegate to switch, Ickes told NEWSWEEK, would be if one candidate—such as, say, Clinton—was deemed more "electable." If delegates believe she has a better chance in November than Obama, Ickes said, "you bet" that would be a reason to change their vote. (He added, however, that the campaign is "focused" on winning over uncommitted superdelegates "at this point.")

Ickes's comments prompted a fierce comeback from Obama spokesman Bill Burton. "Despite repeated denials," he said, "the Clinton campaign finally admitted that they will go to any length to win." One party official, who asked for anonymity when discussing sensitive matters, said the strategy behind Clinton's invocation of the 1982 rule was clear: "They're trying to open up a window for some of the Obama people to change their minds."

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 03-16-2008, 06:18 PM

I wonder if even Mitt Romney would stoop this low.

HartParr · 03-16-2008, 06:20 PM

The Clintons want total control over the world. Power drives their insane lust to topple the DNC, even at the expense of the party, and even at the price of allowing McBush a win this go around.

Clintons are trash. They don't care about voters, they don't care about the working class. They care only about themselves.

Caltex · 03-16-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

I wonder if even Mitt Romney would stoop this low.

It might mess up his hair, so not a chance.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 03-16-2008, 06:36 PM

lol

Tony Soprano · 03-16-2008, 07:30 PM

Just open up Florida and Michigan for a new primary.

"Wow, I want to be a member of the Democrat Party if she wins."

This a cheap shot and an idle threat.

Vandal · 03-16-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Caltex

It might mess up his hair, so not a chance.

Good one.

Bradgriff · 03-16-2008, 07:56 PM

The DNC can do what it wants. You got nothing Du Bois. Any pledged delegate and Superdelegate can decide what they think electability means, if it means Obama, thats the way it is.

Send an email to Howard Dean.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 03-16-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bradgriff

The DNC can do what it wants. You got nothing Du Bois. Any pledged delegate and Superdelegate can decide what they think electability means, if it means Obama, thats the way it is.

Send an email to Howard Dean.

That's the way it is, doesn't mean that's right.

People get killed every day. "That's the way it is."

We're in Iraq. "That's the way it is."

There's a genocide in Darfur. "That's the way it is."

"That's the way it is" is no defense for a policy.

Bradgriff · 03-16-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

That's the way it is, doesn't mean that's right.

People get killed every day. "That's the way it is."

We're in Iraq. "That's the way it is."

There's a genocide in Darfur. "That's the way it is."

"That's the way it is" is no defense for a policy.

Since you put it that way, I'm a strong proponent of a majority rules representative democracy. So if more Democrats voted at the polls for Obama, he should be the Democratic Nominee....simple. I hated every minute of Al Gore getting more votes from Americans in 2000 and Republicans justifying it with what really boils down to something someone did to make the removal of mathematical simplicity from a Representative Democracy legal, and therefore just. Leaving big long explainations that are only exceptionaly weak rationalizations.