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03-15-2008, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by discoman
I just feel that McCain will have a broader appeal to a larger segment of the
American society.
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Do you really think there are that many people who will take the time to listen to - and then side with - someone who has no intention of making any changes over what we have now?
The polls say Decider Bush has a 20-25% favorable rating. McBush says he plans to keep the majority of Decider Bush's policies in effect.
How does he make the leap from mid 20% favorable to a majority, as you claim?
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03-16-2008, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by HartParr
Do you really think there are that many people who will take the time to listen to - and then side with - someone who has no intention of making any changes over what we have now?
The polls say Decider Bush has a 20-25% favorable rating. McBush says he plans to keep the majority of Decider Bush's policies in effect.
How does he make the leap from mid 20% favorable to a majority, as you claim?
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First, Bush's approval ratings are in the mid 30's, at 37% in the latest polls, a far cry from 20%.
Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.
Second, McCain is advocating plenty of changes, just not necessarily ones that you want. Mccain focus's much more on running a balanced budget than tax cuts, and supports much stronger environmental controls than Bush, as well as many other issues. No matter who is elected, there will be "change".
Here are the political positions of John McCain:
Political positions of John McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
McCain is consistently rated as a moderate by evaluation groups such as the Almanac of American politics. "His 2006 rating by the Almanac of American Politics (2008) on Economic Policy is 64% conservative, 35% liberal (52% conservative, 47% liberal in 2005)." "His 2006 rating, compiled by the Almanac of American Politics (2008) on Foreign Policy is 58% conservative, 40% liberal. (2005: 54% conservative, 45% liberal.)[1]"
Some big issues listed where McCain voted differently than Bush would have:
*"McCain voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, arguing that each state should be able to choose whether to recognize same-sex marriage"
* "McCain is a member of The Republican Main Street Partnership and supports embryonic stem cell research despite his earlier opposition"
*" McCain has been one of the foremost critics of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the US Senate: "I looked into his eyes and saw three letters: a K, a G and a B". He has said that Putin is "going to cause a lot of difficulties" and that he is "trying to reassert the Russian empire."[11] McCain has also stated his belief that Putin is using Russia's energy sources as a political "weapon".[12]"
* McCain is against the use of water boarding, as he considers it torture
* McCain is for more stringent environmental controls
Clearly McCain is quite a bit different than Bush, and calling them the same is plain out wrong. I don't support McCain, but at least oppose him for legitimate reasons, instead of baseless accusations that he is the same as Bush.
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03-16-2008, 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Matrixx8
Do you say this because you consider McCain a good public speaker? What speeches would you recommend?
What issues do you think McCain could debate with fervor -- the war in Iraq (which most Americans still seem to consider a mistake); health care (his position seems to be that only those who can afford it should be eligible); the economy (didn't McCain say something to the effect that he didn't really understand economics)?
On what do you base your above statement?
Just curious, Discoman.
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War in Iraq: look at the polls. Some 20% want us to pull out today, some 30%+ want us to stay in there for 100 years, if it takes that long (which it won't). The rest are in the middle, few people want us to pull out recklessly, but as long as things are going smoothly in Iraq, as they are now, it will be a secondary issue and the Republicans, every-so-slowly, will gain a little ground at a time, but most people aren't going to change their minds at this point. It's just a matter of public action. Only the hardcore anti-war activists are still going to be out there when the situation is going smoothly and improving.
Health care: Not really, it'd be better if you actually studied his position. From what I've gotten, he wants to lower costs and let people have more control, and make more room for competition which, in and of itself, should lower costs.
McCain's health care proposal emphasizes 'freedom' - CNN.com
Economy: He has said something to that likeness. On the other hand, if Hillary didn't know a single thing about the economy she'd still tell you that she knew the right course of action (without need to consult any advisors or experts). She's the expert on everything she doesn't know anything about.
Barrack Obama is at least an honest and credible man, from what I can see, but I haven't seen how he's going to help the economy. We tax our businesses more than any other country in the world, and Barrack Obama wants to raise taxes on our businesses.  That's not the most pro-economic stance, but I am coming from a conservative viewpoint. Perhaps he might come up with something, but as far as I can see McCain will be able to come with stronger economic arguments, McCain's only weakness might be that people may associate some of his policies with Bush.
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03-16-2008, 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Caltex
First, Bush's approval ratings are in the mid 30's, at 37% in the latest polls, a far cry from 20%.
Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.
Second, McCain is advocating plenty of changes, just not necessarily ones that you want. Mccain focus's much more on running a balanced budget than tax cuts, and supports much stronger environmental controls than Bush, as well as many other issues. No matter who is elected, there will be "change".
Here are the political positions of John McCain:
Political positions of John McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
McCain is consistently rated as a moderate by evaluation groups such as the Almanac of American politics. "His 2006 rating by the Almanac of American Politics (2008) on Economic Policy is 64% conservative, 35% liberal (52% conservative, 47% liberal in 2005)." "His 2006 rating, compiled by the Almanac of American Politics (2008) on Foreign Policy is 58% conservative, 40% liberal. (2005: 54% conservative, 45% liberal.)[1]"
Some big issues listed where McCain voted differently than Bush would have:
*"McCain voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, arguing that each state should be able to choose whether to recognize same-sex marriage"
* "McCain is a member of The Republican Main Street Partnership and supports embryonic stem cell research despite his earlier opposition"
*" McCain has been one of the foremost critics of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the US Senate: "I looked into his eyes and saw three letters: a K, a G and a B". He has said that Putin is "going to cause a lot of difficulties" and that he is "trying to reassert the Russian empire."[11] McCain has also stated his belief that Putin is using Russia's energy sources as a political "weapon".[12]"
* McCain is against the use of water boarding, as he considers it torture
* McCain is for more stringent environmental controls
Clearly McCain is quite a bit different than Bush, and calling them the same is plain out wrong. I don't support McCain, but at least oppose him for legitimate reasons, instead of baseless accusations that he is the same as Bush.
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Quality post, and a good rebuttal.
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03-16-2008, 06:05 PM
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All I know is I made a post about John McCain defeating the two remaining democratic candidates in the upcoming political debates .Any one is entitled to agree with it
or to not agree with it.It the choice of words one uses to disparage my
character that I felt was wrong.I still will be supporting John McCain.
We as Americans must practice what we preach.To set an example.
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03-16-2008, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by discoman
All I know is I made a post about John McCain defeating the two remaining democratic candidates in the upcoming political debates .Any one is entitled to agree with it
or to not agree with it.It the choice of words one uses to disparage my
character that I felt was wrong.I still will be supporting John McCain.
We as Americans must practice what we preach.To set an example.
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Where has anyone disparaged your character, as you claim?
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03-16-2008, 06:18 PM
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I feel words such as "Cartonish" and "Sucks" has tarnished my reputation. But I have been called worse. I want to stay on topic.
I feel McCain and the Republicans will be better for America.
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03-16-2008, 06:20 PM
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We are all entitled to free speech in the end.No harm done.No hard feelings.
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03-16-2008, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by discoman
I feel words such as "Cartonish" and "Sucks" has tarnished my reputation. But I have been called worse. I want to stay on topic.
I feel McCain and the Republicans will be better for America.
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We're not talking about tarnishing your reputation. You said that someone has "disparaged" your "character". Evidently that is a lie, as the comments you refer to describe what you have said and not you.
I agree with you going back to the topic, but you were the one who lead the thread astray in the first place. Let's be clear on that.
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03-16-2008, 06:22 PM
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McCain lied about Clark, don't run from lies
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We are all entitled to free speech in the end.No harm done.No hard feelings.
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I'm not the one who feels that my character was disparaged by having my argument shot down. No hard feelings here. 
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