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I think blacks make up about 11% now. Hispanics are like 13-14%.
In many states, like both of the ones I've lived in, they make up around 50%. Hispanics are going to become a majour national political force, especially if they really organize and rally around one another, comparable to the Irish during the late 19th century.
As for Ferraro's remarks: they're definitely unacceptable, and hopefully the Clinton campaign will distance itself from her, just as the Obama campaign distanced itself from Power.
Ferraro is a major racist. Even in 1988 when Jesse Jackson was running for President (and lost) she said that he was only getting the support he was getting because he's black. It seems that for Ferraro anyone who doesn't have a pair of tits is only where they are because of their skin color or something else.
This feminazi has unfortunately stepped down from the Clinton campaign and I'm very sorry for it. I would have liked her to stick around and maybe drop a few more bombshells on nig.....I mean Obama.
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"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.... He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."
To imply that his success is due just to him being black would be inaccurate and insulting. He wouldn't be where he is if he wasn't intelligent and likeable, or if he wasn't a good speaker with the right message at the right time, or if he didn't have a great organization. Ferraro said that she gave him credit for these things and that the media only focused on the race comment. Who knows?
In any case, i have to agree with her. Would his message of unity be as powerful without his multicultural background? And what is the reason for his overwhelming support among blacks (who against most candidates would be steadfast Clinton loyalists) if not for the fact that he himself is black?
I don't have a problem with that. That's a part of politics. Southern Republicans voted for Huckabee in part because he's a southerner. Hicks voted for Bush in part because he's a cowboy. And as Ferraro herself admits, she never would have been a VP nominee if she weren't female. If you're going to be upset over ppl taking race, gender, ethnicity, etc into account, you'll be upset at a hell of a lot of ppl.
The other reason it doesn't bother me is that Iowa and New Hampshire (where i live) are generally the only states that actually look at the candidates during a presidential primary. The other states just rubber stamp whoever the establishment candidate is. The establishment usually stands for less, takes fewer risks on principle, and campaigns dirtier (at least, that's what it was like in 2000), but the maverick doesn't stand a chance anyway. If being black gives Obama, this years Democratic maverick, a fighting chance, i'm ok with that.
"Axelrod said the comment by Ferraro, coupled with Clinton's "own inexplicable unwillingness" to deny that Obama was a Muslim during a recent interview, was part of "an insidious pattern that needs to be addressed.""
It does seem like there's an awful lot of attacks from the Clinton camp and ppl close to Clinton. I think a lot of it (though not all) is just ppl saying what they're really thinking. Same goes with the "monster" comment by Powers.
I can see how a fairly uncharismatic establishment politician, especially one as reputably hard working and active as Clinton, would be pissed at suddenly getting upended by a new guy with a better speech and mass appeal. Even so, the antagonism and bitterness they have seems disproportionate.
"And if he was a woman, he would not be in this position.... She also said Hillary Clinton had been the victim of a "sexist media.""
My inclination is to completely disagree.
And whether or not that's true, Hillary was the establishment candidate. She had the advantage in everything. She complains that a less experianced Obama came along and beat her, but she beat more experianced white male candidates easily. She was the big dog. She was Goliath. Goliath isn't allowed to complain.
Other thoughts-
My feelings about Hillary and Obama are hesitant. How much can you really know about someone just from the media? Regarding all the attacks from Hillary's people- are they really cheap shots... are they just ppl being unusually candid... or are they a combination of the two? I don't know for sure.
t's too late. Clinton must be stopped, or the Democratic Party destroyed. No other outcomes are acceptable.
Well, I am disappointed to not see Sen. Clinton denounce the remarks of Ferraro. I don't know if I'd take the destruction of the Democratic party if she isn't "stopped" as you say, though... that seems a bit much.
Oh yeah, this is a little off-topic but I was wondering if you (or anyone else) can contrast the views of Obama and Hillary on unions? I haven't heard much about unions, and I unfortunately don't have time to look it up right now, but if anyone knows off-hand please let me know
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I was reminded of Churchill's speech to the UK. This pretty much sums up my attitude towards Clinton.
It's ironic that you're quoting an abashed racist here
Well, I am disappointed to not see Sen. Clinton denounce the remarks of Ferraro. I don't know if I'd take the destruction of the Democratic party if she isn't "stopped" as you say, though... that seems a bit much.
Oh yeah, this is a little off-topic but I was wondering if you (or anyone else) can contrast the views of Obama and Hillary on unions? I haven't heard much about unions, and I unfortunately don't have time to look it up right now, but if anyone knows off-hand please let me know
I don't know what Hillary's record is on unions, but Obama is in favor of some kind of law that is pro-union. Let me try to remember.....it was something to the effect of making it illegal for companies to forbid unionization. Something like that.
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It's ironic that you're quoting an abashed racist here
If you removed every racist from Western history, then Western history text books would be 5 pages long.
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I don't know what Hillary's record is on unions, but Obama is in favor of some kind of law that is pro-union. Let me try to remember.....it was something to the effect of making it illegal for companies to forbid unionization. Something like that.
That would be a nice change. I'll go look it up now, actually, I have more time than I previously thought. That could be the deal-breaker with either candidate-- unions and worker rights are one of my biggest issues... especially since I currently live in a "Right to Work" (stupid political euphemism meaning "anti-union") state.
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If you removed every racist from Western history, then Western history text books would be 5 pages long.
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Hahaha... well, that goes for almost any history book. It ain't only white people who are racist...
I don't think Ferrara IS a racist, however it seems like she is part of the Clintons' race baiting tactics against Obama. As Olbermann points out, Ferrara made the statement regarding Obama's success more then once, three times at least.
The Clintons are basically running like Republicans however the Southern Strategy doesn't work as well in a party that has few Southern voters.
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