Bro,

Well you should vote for Ralph Nader then. Obama is not interested in petty partisanship.

As for talk radio, this is what you said:

"It's personal" for Hillary
Not only is it totally wrong, but it's common sense that OLD PEOPLE listen to talk radio, not young ones.

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Funny, if Hillary was nominated I think there would also be a large part of the democratic party going to support McCain. I might very well be one of them.

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Although McCain is far more palatable than the other republican candidates were, I'd still vote for Hillary over McCain. I'm not a Hillary fan and definitely prefer Obama, but to me McCain represents a continuation of many of Bush's policies:

*keeping a large military force in Iraq
*making the tax cuts which mainly benefit the wealthy permanent
*more right wing judges on the Supreme Court

And there is no way McCain would ever push for universal healthcare.

New term: Mccain Democrat.

OLd term: Ya, right.

I don't think McCain is selling himself out, at least not as much as most people are suggesting. The two biggest things that I've heard him say when appealing to the base are military, as in expanding the military's size and finishing the job in Iraq, and taxes. These are the two things I've really heard him say, and they don't seem to depart very far from what he's always been, it's just that he is now emphasizing his more conservative aspects to appeal to the base. He's still pissed off with insurance and drug companies, he still favors doing pretty much all that he has been in favor of (and can actually be accomplished).

I think that he has ignored some of the things he really beleives in because they would hurt his candidacy and he'd never be able to achieve them. Obama and Hillary are both making big talk about things that I don't think they can really achieve, but in their case it's helping their campaign.

I think token liberal was more so referring to the fact that McCain is now cozying up to people that he longed criticized. At one point McCain compared Jerry Falwell to Jesse Jackson and six years later he meets with him all hugs and kisses just a few months before he dies. You don't go calling someone an extremist and then meet with them. His positions haven't actually changed much, but he definitely isn't talking straight.

I sure as hell didn't get into politics from talk radio (I'm 19), and nobody else I know here in college or from high school who is into politics entered through talk radio. Most people's politics come from their parents; so too does most people's interest in politics. I come from a really political family (Irish, what can I say? Add unions onto that and you're in for a pretty hardcore Democratic family ) and I suspect that most other whippersnappers on here did too.

I did actually used to listen to some of the conservative talk radio, because it was on during my excessively long drives home from high school. Always Michael Savage, too, so I got quality entertainment/nausea! But I listened to it because I'm political, and hell if any kids I know who aren't political would listen to it otherwise.


That's definitely a big part of it. It was about '04, really, when McCain started buddying up to Bush that he sold his soul. He started towing the party line more, starting becoming more dick-ish, and moved, at least in rhetoric, further toward the right. Flip flopper, anyone?

I don't think he'd be a terrible president, and he was by far the least evil Republican, but I sure as hell would take Hillary or Obama over him!

A month or so ago when McCain voted against limiting CIA interrogation techniques to what's specified in the Army Field Manual, that to me went directly against what he's stood for in the past, a 180 degree about face. It was a vote that implicitly okayed the CIA's use of torture. McCain, who was tortured as a POW has always strongly opposed the US' use of torture in the past...that was one of the main points of the Military Commissions Act legislation he co-authored a couple of years back. In the past he's said that waterboarding was torture but now he thinks its okay for the CIA to do it (nevermind that after WWII we tried , convicted, and executed Japanese soldiers as war criminals for doing the exact same thing).

That sounds to me like an opinion formed based on incomplete information. Do you know exactly what the Army Field Manual permits?

Further, the Japanese example is very weak. People like McCain were tortured for the fun of it - and we condemn our own who do the same.

Is this actually that new of a term? We've known that McCain has expressed liberal views on certain issues so wouldn't it make sense that some Independents and Democrats would take him over Obama or Hilary? Just wondering.

Also, regarding youngsters getting involved with politics over talk radio. I can say that I'm one of the few kids that really started getting inovolved fter listening to conservative talk. Then again, I'm also 1 of a slim minority of freshman who know what each of the candidates actually stand for.

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