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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 03-07-2008, 01:08 AM

Well, you never know how long that will last. Can it last 4 months of Hillary attacking Obama and then another 4 months of the conservatives attacking Obama?

I would say that as far as math is concerned (for the generals) Obama is stronger than Hillary in the Northern half of the Midwest and the West. Hillary is stronger than Obama in key states like Ohio, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania.

Those are 3 massive fucking states, which really makes you wonder about Obama's electability. It's really fucking risky actually. I just have trouble seeing Hillary winning the general election though.

billybones468 · 03-07-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

. I just have trouble seeing Hillary winning the general election though.

Thats the thing she would lose.

it's been pounded into GOPs little skulls that Hillary has horns ( she does) and most Moderate Dems don't like her either and would rather have a moderate Rep then a die hard liberal.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 03-07-2008, 01:34 AM

I just did some really interesting calculations on the bottom of this page, based upon polling thus far. The basic conclusion is this:

Obama puts Massachussets, Ohio and Pennsylvania into relative risk for the Democrats

Hillary puts Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Washington, Oregon and Colorado into relative risk for the Democrats.

Oddly enough my calculations and assumptions show that Hillary is the less electable candidate.

I have not re-looked at New Jersey though, which I need to do.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 03-07-2008, 01:36 AM

I take it back.

Forgot about New Jersey: Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a mid-term election.

Obama moves that into a tossup state. Hillary keeps it. So that makes Obama the more risky candidate, I think.

TokenLiberal · 03-07-2008, 02:27 AM

I find it hard to believe that either an Obama or a Hillary candidacy would put the solid blue states in any kind of risk, though. Massachusetts, for example, is gonna be blue whoever is the candidate...

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 03-07-2008, 02:35 AM

I thought so too, Token. However, there is a real ethnic and blue collar factor here. The blue collar white ethnics have a real problem with Obama. It's no fuckin' joke, my friend.

FRYandBENDER · 03-07-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

Do you think he is dropping out? It sure sounds like it w/ the tone of his voice and his body posture. Finally, the rodent can go back and hide in his mole hole in the US chambers of Congress.

Here here. A fine day indeed.

It is funny to see someone call Ron Paul a rodent while fellating George Bush every chance they get. I really can't even take it seriously.

Charlie_Harper · 03-07-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by billybones468

Thats the thing she would lose.

it's been pounded into GOPs little skulls that Hillary has horns ( she does) and most Moderate Dems don't like her either and would rather have a moderate Rep then a die hard liberal.

That's the thing about Hillary. Opposed to policy's, she mirrors Obama, but I feel she has betrayed her liberal base. I distinctly remember when she stood behind Bush and said this war was a good idea. Now she's against it. And they were saying Kerry was too wishy-washy.

Caltex · 03-07-2008, 09:09 AM

It's time he dropped out. He already essentially dropped out in mid February when he said he would be pursuing his congress seat as #1 priority.

Ron Paul served a definite purpose in this race, and helped restart the discussion on many key issues. This is probably the best possible outcome he could have expected. Just as Tancredo and Hunter helped put the fire on the immigration issue, all small time candidates serve a purpose.

Freedom Rider · 03-07-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

we'd have to compare overall vote totals of paul to giuliani. my guess is giuliani garnered more.

LOL! You've got to be kidding. Ron Paul royally spanked Giuliani throughout the primaries for the most part. Just look at the results for the first six states:

Iowa
Ron Paul 11,817 10%
Rudy Giuliani 4,097 4%

Michigan
Ron Paul 54,434 6%
Rudy Giuliani 24,706 3%

Nevada
Ron Paul 6,077 state delegates 14%
Rudy Giuliani 1,907 state delegates 4%

South Carolina (93% in)
Ron Paul 15,235 4%
Rudy Giuliani 8,518 2%

New Hampshire
Rudy Giuliani 20,395 9%
Ron Paul 18,303 8%

Total votes through six early states:
Ron Paul 99,789 votes
Rudy Giuliani 57,716 votes