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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · #11 (**permalink**) 02-18-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Caltex

And Obama ripped "change" off of Mondale, Goldwater, and Carter.

No, that's just more Paulist BS. A button with the word change on it is not proof that Obama got his campaign slogan from Goldwater. Just another baseless comment, like most Paulist opinions.

prrriiide · #12 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 01:18 AM

Politicians have been running on a "change" platform for centuries. Any time 70% or better of the electorate is dissatisfied with the direction of the country or thinks the country is headed in the wrong direction, you can expect the opposition to run a well-received "change" campaign.

It has as much to do with Carter or Goldwater as it does with Fillmore or Harding.

superdude17* · #13 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 01:22 AM

the question is, who has actually done change and has a record to back up their words. i think obama is most likely on the bottom of that list compared to most of the candidates that have run so far in this campaign.

leo · #14 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

the question is, who has actually done change and has a record to back up their words. i think obama is most likely on the bottom of that list compared to most of the candidates that have run so far in this campaign.

How about not take a dime of lobbyist money for his campaign...

Or NOT throwing ALL of the dirt at Hillary, because believe me - she was my first choice about a yr ago - the more I looked the more huge piles of dirt you can find on her... does Obama sling it - no... and that is the most important thing is how his attitude is to not play the typical political game of dirt slinging - you can't change the game and be part of it...

How about being one of the only TWO candidates that I have ever heard to say that they want to stop the bribes from lobbyist in Washington - Edwards in this race was the other...

Hillary was in the top ten percent in ear marks last yr.

McCain was only one of five Senators to have zero dollars in earmarks.

Do you work for Hillary or do you just like her because Rush Limbaugh told you she was good...

superdude17* · #15 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by leo

Do you work for Hillary or do you just like her because Rush Limbaugh told you she was good...

is it some sort of bad thing to like hillary? obviously about 50% of the Democrat party does b/c her and Barack are about even with overall votes.

I have liked Bill and Hillary is much more moderate than the very, very ultraliberal Barack.

He is a worse democrat version of W

leo · #16 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

is it some sort of bad thing to like hillary? obviously about 50% of the Democrat party does b/c her and Barack are about even with overall votes.

I have liked Bill and Hillary is much more moderate than the very, very ultraliberal Barack.

He is a worse democrat version of W

No it's not a bad thing to like Hillary at all and really God bless you for your opinions and views, but she plays dirty games and I'm just really tired of it... look Hillary says Obama steals words... from his own friend... ?? I JUST heard Hillary say YES WE CAN on TV... come on Superdude... she was one of my first choices, I like Bills job for the most part... ? Then I looked into her past and more importantly her character - from her own actions, not from what other people have said about her. All most 1 million dollars from heath care lobbyist in the mid 90s when she first tried health care reform... !!!! How does THAT help reform the government and it's system of bribes from the lobbyist. She is not a leader and does or says what ever is best at the time - I'm tired of them playing the same old political game with our future, our taxes... basically playing games with our whole country.

I feel like some people latch on to somethings or some candidates and don't really look at everything around them in perspective.

And no Hillary is more like Bush - Hillary just insulted Vladimir Putin the President of Russia by saying he has no soul... takes BIG money from lobbyist. I feel like Hillary is less about the people of America and more about her self... much like Bush. She cried when it was looking like a big loss in NH... for herself - not for Americans. Blames somebody else for her own actions - voting for the war in Iraq then blames Bush for the war - she voted for it !!!! Hillary all most all ways blames the Republicans for our problems in Washington... polarizing.

Divided We Fail

prrriiide · #17 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

is it some sort of bad thing to like hillary? obviously about 50% of the Democrat party does b/c her and Barack are about even with overall votes.

I have liked Bill and Hillary is much more moderate than the very, very ultraliberal Barack.

He is a worse democrat version of W

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This is just Hilary being what she really is, she hates any government allied with us, and she thinks “social welfare programs” can stabilize a country like Pakistan. Actually, she wants to destabilize Pakistan, similar to what her great pal Carter did with Iran, if I recall. right?

Pathetic. Throw her out to the wolves to eat.

Your own words.

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I am appalled that Wesley Clark would endorse such a ditsy leader. Besides that, Hillary needs to get over her I . . . I . . . I . . . Me . . . Me . . . Me . . . mentality. Has it never occurred to her that maybe the Pakistanis don’t care what “I think." However, I wouldn't mind seeing Hillary take control of the investigation. Put her to work over in Karachi on foreign assignment on something constructive. I mean she is a members of the foreign relations committee. Might do her some good. Instead of being the Queen of America she can go and be the Queen of Pakistan. I wouldn't mind.

I think there might be a trend here...

Can't quite put my finger on it though...

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Hillary Clinton is a very unlikeable person. She is very mean, very nasty, very arrogant, and very fake. She has an extremely annoying voice, she screeches a lot, when she does not screech she sounds like a dead person, she makes a lot of scary facial gestures, and she has a horrible laughter. Those very bad character traits alone will destroy her in the general elections let alone her socialist politics, her huge flip flops, and her extreme liberal social policies. Neither her nor the media will be able to convince the majority of “real voters” otherwise.

I'm sensing that she isn't the only one that flip-flops...

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If, and I mean a big IF, there is a real debate between Her Hillness and a real Republican, she won’t stand a chance. Her handlers will protect her though. Anyone who has a brain can see she is such a control freak she can’t answer a thoughtful question even from members of her own party. God help us all if this monster and her evil master (Bill) get into office. The US won’t survive.

Still haven't zeroed in on this trend I'm sensing though...thought you liked Bill??

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Hey...I am glad that woman did that....

I don’t care WHY she did it....Hillary NEEDS to be yelled at every time she gets up to speak.

It is certain the MSM are going to give her a pass...someone has to ask the hard questions.

Actually dude, I'm glad you have flip-flopped to Hillary...

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She’s a liar who has done practically all she can to undermine the president and ensure defeat in Iraq.

and, she isn't running, her husband is. she's a walking brainless ape that can't tell the difference between right and wrong.

So far, your support of any given candidate...

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Hillary should make out w/ a chick. She is a lesbian.

has been a kiss of death to their campaign.

Remind me never to go to the horse track with you...

IA_independent · #18 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LessGovMrPrez

Yeah this is pretty much the dumbest attack on a candidate I have ever seen.

Plagarism? Give us a break Hill-Billy! Are they that desperate?

Yes, they ARE that desperate. It's all over but the crying, which I'm sure she will do to try and get a few more votes cast her way in Texas and Ohio.

LessGovMrPrez · #19 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by IA_independent

Yes, they ARE that desperate. It's all over but the crying, which I'm sure she will do to try and get a few more votes cast her way in Texas and Ohio.

Hell have you seen Bill lately? Dude is just going off on folks left and right! I aint gonna shed a tear or anything, but it makes good reality TV watching him implode on the campaign trail.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · #20 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 10:52 AM

Just Words, but Not Obama's Words

Excellent post, pride.