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02-18-2008, 06:03 PM
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As I mentioned previously, understanding the significance of what goes on is another story.
I'd expect a moderator to know Saddam's history to that point as well as the geo-political scenario that existed with regard to the USA and the main players in the Middle East at that time so that the context of that meeting between Rummy and Saddam made sense at the time, as I'm sure you do understand.
But I am not surprised when individual posters are unaware of the details.
They relate to the photo as an example of US hypocrisy or support of despots and having that bite us in the ass.
And it's not that simply explained, unless you like kiddee movies where all the relationships, conflicts and resolutions are one dimensional.
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I see....So as long as the puppet stays on the strings and dances to our tune, it those horrible WMD's and rape rooms and poor, poor oppressed Iraqi's which cost Bushie so much sleep at night, and caused the neo-con crowd to foam at the mouth aren't quite so bad? 
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02-18-2008, 06:06 PM
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Too bad you have to start making this personal and start making personal attacks. People who do so don't last very long on this forum.
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From the genial tone I thought it was understood that the "you" was a collective, non-specific, "you."
It wasn't accusatory in nature.
My bad.
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02-18-2008, 06:10 PM
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I see....So as long as the puppet stays on the strings and dances to our tune, it those horrible WMD's and rape rooms and poor, poor oppressed Iraqi's which cost Bushie so much sleep at night, and caused the neo-con crowd to foam at the mouth aren't quite so bad? 
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Have you ever read the history of the time and what prompted us to support Saddam?
If so, and if that is your final answer as to how to summarize it, then I guess you would have preferred the Iranian Caliphate had started back then.
My next question is do you know why an Iranian Caliphate would not be a good idea?
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02-18-2008, 06:13 PM
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All your OP says is that the guy feels Obama stands for big changes...and? Where does he say "Obama is laying the groundwork for Marxist America?" Change can mean anything. Do you have anything to back up your implication that Obama is trying to make us a Marxist country?
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"It's not to say that there is already a revolution under way in the U.S. … but yes, they are laying the foundations for a revolutionary change."
No. The only thing I guess I can say is...
VIVA LA REVOLUTION! 
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02-18-2008, 06:28 PM
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Democrats get endorsed by Communists, Republicans get supported by Klansmen. Neither reciprocates the endorsement so why should we care?
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Because in nature animals live by their wits and by instinct, using the weapons and defenses they were born with and develop over time.
We all note this 'endorsement' by Ortega, who we know is friendly with Ahmadinejad. But what to make of it?
You suggest it is nothing to be concerned about. I suggest it is a sign that may indicate danger.
A bear who sees this sign and believes it is nothing to worry about...
May find himself wishing he had been more careful or thoughtful or weary.

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02-18-2008, 06:33 PM
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Have you ever read the history of the time and what prompted us to support Saddam?
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The US started supporting Saddam because he was seen as an anti-communist in an exceedingly important region of the world at a time when the Soviet Union was trying like hell to make inroads into the middle east. The practical support started in 1959 in a CIA-backed assassination plot against Qassim. IOW, the US knew he was a POS when they crawled into bed with him over 40 years ago.
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02-18-2008, 06:37 PM
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"It's not to say that there is already a revolution under way in the U.S. … but yes, they are laying the foundations for a revolutionary change."
No. The only thing I guess I can say is...
VIVA LA REVOLUTION! 
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You still refuse to ask yourself critical questions about this conspicuously limited and short article? Okay, I'll get the ball rolling: Revolutionary change in regards to what? Health-care? Our presence in Iraq? I would probably agree in that regard. You are giving a snippet of what he said. The missing context could provide more insight to his true message. I'd like to see it, but doubt very much it "proves" either way that there is a Marxist plot in Obama's vision of America. I'll wait patiently for such context.
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02-18-2008, 07:22 PM
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You still refuse to ask yourself critical questions about this conspicuously limited and short article? Okay, I'll get the ball rolling: Revolutionary change in regards to what? Health-care? Our presence in Iraq? I would probably agree in that regard. You are giving a snippet of what he said. The missing context could provide more insight to his true message. I'd like to see it, but doubt very much it "proves" either way that there is a Marxist plot in Obama's vision of America. I'll wait patiently for such context.
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When I was a kid I used to wonder how 007 knew that someone was hiding behind a closed closet door or some such thing. It seemed like magic to me or else it had to be explained by the fact that it was a movie and as such they could make believe that anything was true and without any good reason.
But as I grew older I came to understand the meaning and importance of the word you mention, context.
Within a given context certain things are more than possible they are likely.
Within the context of what we know about Ortega we can assume that the President of Nicaragua isn't talking about Obama's Health Care proposal, which is only revolutionary when you consider that Hillary's proposal covers ALL the people and Obama's doesn't. Even Mitt Romney's Health Care plan covered everyone. Yes, I'd say that if Ortega was talking about the surprising aspects of Obama care it would be within the right context to call it a revolution...for the worse.
But within the context of this Marxist President's well known opposition to America's system of government as well as the government itself, his using the word, "revolution" does take on a different significance.
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Friends Like These
Election 2008: It always helps to know how America's enemies size up presidential candidates. South of our border, for example, Barack Obama draws praise from Nicaragua's dictator as John McCain enrages Cuba's.
Daniel Ortega, the Marxist whom President Reagan once called "the little dictator," is feeling the love these days. Perpetually at odds with Reagan, who funded the Contra resistance in a war against his bid to turn Nicaragua into a Soviet beachhead, Ortega is pleased with what he sees in Barack Obama.
He has called Obama a spokesman for Nicaragua's illegal immigrants in the U.S. and has said Obama's campaign is "laying the foundations for a revolutionary change."
Over in Havana, another communist dictator was surveying U.S. politics and getting dyspeptic. From his sickbed, Cuba's Fidel Castro simultaneously emerged to blast John McCain.
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As the title suggests, with friends like these, who needs enemies?
And within the context of the overall picture of who does or doesn't support whom, if Ortega and Castro are friends with Chavez and Ahmadinejad and Ortega speaks glowingly of Obama but Castro 'leaves his sickbed' in essence, to blast McCain, what is there left to ponder?
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02-18-2008, 08:28 PM
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The US started supporting Saddam because he was seen as an anti-communist in an exceedingly important region of the world at a time when the Soviet Union was trying like hell to make inroads into the middle east. The practical support started in 1959 in a CIA-backed assassination plot against Qassim. IOW, the US knew he was a POS when they crawled into bed with him over 40 years ago.
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Much of what you say is true. At first glance, all of it appears true.
But what you left out was what had happened in Iran shortly prior to the snapping of that picture.
The Iranian Revolution had taken place and the Ayatollah Khomeini was intent on expanding the religion, expanding Iran's territory and influence and creating a Caliphate.
Saddam wasn't a radical fundamentalist but he was an Iraqi who had risen to prominence and power. Supporting him to prevent Iranian hegemony in the 1980's until 2003 was the same as our efforts to support Malicki to prevent Iranian hegemony today.
Islamism is a danger to freedom around the world and the Islamists are using any and every means necessary to gain total mastery of mankind. The more ground they gain means the less freedom there is in the world.
If they were to continue gaining ground until most of the smaller nations in the world were Islamist, at some point all free peoples would recognize the situation and they would ask themselves, "why didn't we do more to stop them when the price in blood and treasure was relatively small?"
And the answer would be?
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02-18-2008, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bhkad
When I was a kid I used to wonder how 007 knew that someone was hiding behind a closed closet door or some such thing. It seemed like magic to me or else it had to be explained by the fact that it was a movie and as such they could make believe that anything was true and without any good reason.
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NO! NO! NO! Don't go dragging James Bond into this... 
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