Why I will vote for McCain and why other conservatives should too - Page 3 - Political Forum

calmObserver · 02-09-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost Soul

From talking to my buddies still over there, reading and listening to the news, Iraq is getting better everyday and the surge is and has been working. So I dont know where you get is will be worst when in truth is getting better each day...

better, better!!! only if you move the goal posts and redefine what the surge was supose to bring. petraeus said it would only work if the iraqi politicians acted, and what has happened. one bill that was to benifit the sunnis, but is opposed by the sunnis, and supported by shia. that is not success unless of course you are in self serving denial.

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Originally Posted by Lost Soul

As for the economy, it will always have its up and downs. I am doing OK and so are most of the people I know. Nothing has really changed for us yet. I do know I am refinancing my house thus lowering my mortgage payment again.

you sir are not a survey. you sir, represent one, just one person ~ so let's see what we the people think.

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The heck with Congress' big stimulus bill. The way to get the country out of recession — and most people think we're in one — is to get the country out of Iraq, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll.

Pulling out of the war ranked first among proposed remedies in the survey, followed by spending more on domestic programs, cutting taxes and, at the bottom end, giving rebates to poor people in hopes they'll spend the economy into recovery. for more...

i hate to burst your bubble the the world does not revolve around little old you

VoiceofReason · 02-09-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by calmObserver

better, better!!! only if you move the goal posts and redefine what the surge was supose to bring. petraeus said it would only work if the iraqi politicians acted, and what has happened. one bill that was to benifit the sunnis, but is opposed by the sunnis, and supported by shia. that is not success unless of course you are in self serving denial.

You just can't stand it can you. The goal post haven't been moved and we get closer everyday. Even the Iraqi's are working out the political differences.

Wraith · 02-09-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Albinonewt

I say it over on over on this board and I stand by it. THe big difference between Bush and McCain when it comes to conservatives is that McCain has built a career out of spiting us and sticking a thumb in our eye. Screw him.

I understand your anger toward McCain, andI know a lot of the more rightward republicans are very displeased with McCain. After the Amnesty bill and McCain-Feingold, I can see where some repubs would rather spend election day in the loving embrace of a dentists chair than pull the lever for him. However, it seems to me that if Clinton or Obama take the WH, that they will give you a lot more to be angry about. Like someone pointed out there could well be a couple Supreme Court appointments made in the coming 4-8 years. Which of the candidates would you rather see making those appointments? Since for some people this election seems to be a choice between bad and worse, I don't understand why so many people are willing to have worse (from their POV) win. It just seems to me like a lot of conservatives this year are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

calmObserver · 02-09-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VoiceofReason

You just can't stand it can you. The goal post haven't been moved and we get closer everyday. Even the Iraqi's are working out the political differences.

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you make the mistake that everything starts and ends in iraq, or perhaps you believe as some of your fellow travelers success to iraq lies through iran?

Hotduck · 02-09-2008, 09:55 PM

Look as said McCain is on no way a perfect conservative but he is way more conservative then the top Dems, and my point in comparing him to Bush was to show that we got behind a conservative who wasn’t always conservative before why cant we do it again ?

SamInTheSouth · 02-09-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wraith

It just seems to me like a lot of conservatives this year are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

They do that a lot.

VoiceofReason · 02-10-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SamInTheSouth

They do that a lot.

I think a lot of conservatives who are voicing their objection to McCain will wake up the morning of election day and realize that unless they vote Hillary Clinton might be in the WH and will decide McCain ain't so bad.

VoiceofReason · 02-10-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by calmObserver

you make the mistake that everything starts and ends in iraq,

ROFL I made no such assertion at all, be we have a lot riding on it don't we, and we continue to move forward and the left just can't stand it. It is so absurd to listen to the Dem candidates try to out bid each other as to how fast they will surrender when we are winning. But frightening to think they may be running our foreign policy of retreat and hunker down and wait for the next attack.

Wraith · 02-10-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by VoiceofReason

I think a lot of conservatives who are voicing their objection to McCain will wake up the morning of election day and realize that unless they vote Hillary Clinton might be in the WH and will decide McCain ain't so bad.

But if the hard righter's keep bad mouthing him all the way up to election day, they may turn off enough conservative voters to the point that they may not care if Hillary or Obama win. The way a lot of conservatives talk right now, theres hardly any difference between them. That could very well come back to haunt them in Nov. when conservatives sit home and let the dem candidate win. Thats what kind of puzzles me about this cycle. Like I said before I knew some repubs who didn't like Bush, but still worked to see him win because they saw the alternative as worse. What has changed between now and then?

VoiceofReason · 02-10-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Wraith

But if the hard righter's keep bad mouthing him all the way up to election day, they may turn off enough conservative voters to the point that they may not care if Hillary or Obama win.

I think you will start to see a marked decline in that in the next few days. Conservatives saw what that kind of thinking got them when Bill Clinton beat Bush41.

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The way a lot of conservatives talk right now....

Is a lot of talk and disappointment and bluster. As the reality sets in it will be campaign to insure that there is neither an Obama or another Clinton in the WH.

And looking at the results coming in tonight Obama is CRUSHING Clinton. She may not survive very much longer. And I'm sure the Clinton supports will rethink and support Hillary. Them going to McCain makes a much sense as Republicans coming to him.