LiveAndLetDie

I'll file this one under "Been there, done that".

Your turn.

presluc

Well, that makes two of us, I wander if there's any more?lol

Troianii

Sure the Democrats stopped beleiving - and so did the Republicans, so there is no real difference there. They both recognize a mistake but the difference is that the Democrats want to run away from it and leave the most unstable part of the world to itself. That's the difference. The Democrats made a mistake, and they don't want to fix it, they want to run away from it - granted, that was popular opinion for a while.

As far as history, you're mistaken again. A larger majority of Republicans supported it, but there were still a number of Republicans opposed to it. On top of that, many Republicans wouldn't have voted for such an act if it was that partisan, so you're mistaken.

And on the idea that it was the Republicans idea from the beginning - no it wasn't. I already pointed out that it was Clinton's idea, you didn't dispute it, you just said he didn't do it. So, we come to this: it was a Democrats idea, a majority of both parties gave permission for the President to take action - but because the President's Republican all blame falls on the Republican party, and the Republicans screwed this up. Democrats didn't screw anything up, right? That's partisan.

coogabooga

I don't see why using fear tactics is necessarily a bad thing... Sometimes that is just what it takes to get the message to some people. At the same time, global warming is a freaking scary issue to some extent.
Using fear as a tool to get people to give up their freedoms takes things to a totally different level.

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Shiva_TD

The only reason the violence came over here on 9/11 was because the US was commiting acts of violence over there. Remember, the Gulf War did not end in 1991 but continued up until the present day. We have been attacking Iraq virtually everyday since 1991.

presluc

Well first of all I'd say pakistan is a pretty unstable place right now.
As far as Iraq Democrats don't want to run away or wave the white flag we want to fix it so american military don't have to be in a country that has it's own government it's own contitution and it's own army.
I am not mistaken sir at the begining of this war the Republicans had control over congress and the White House that is a fact. when you have control you pretty much pass what you want.
Enough Republicans did that's the bottom line.
How can you say a majority of both parties when the Republicans were the majority of congress at that time.
As I have said Carter and the Democrats had a plan it was fucked up in short we got screwed we accept this responsibility.
Are you saying the Republicans can't accept responsibility for anything.
What do they do just walk around pointing fingers
I'll go you one better Clinton and the Democrats plan on Nafta they fucked up.
While Republicans are pointing fingures and are very quick to sling mud when the Democrats make a mistake or fuck up.
However when the shoe is on the other foot it's oh I got an excuse here somewhere or it's the Democrats fault see they meesed it up before we got here blah,blah,blah.

calmObserver

another captive of the fear war. no a.q. got what they wanted when we blundered into afghanistan followed by our gift of an even greater blunder of invading iraq.

as Norwegian Defence Research Establishment document shows a.q. changed strategy once u.s. screwed up.