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Old 02-01-2008, 09:58 PM
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I believe that Edward's voters are more likely to vote for Obama because
a.) Obama better espouses the ideals that Edwards stood for
b.) Around 50% of Edwards voters stated they would NOT vote for Hillary Clinton.

I also believe that Edwards will endorse Obama either tomorrow or on Sunday and that an Obama-Edwards ticket would be a lock in the national election
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I can think of worse scenarios than that. It'd be interesting to see Obama/Edwards vs. McCain/Huckabee. lol, sd might have a cow though.
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Old 02-02-2008, 11:54 AM
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I'm pretty sure most of them will go towards neither. The people that don't want "a woman or a black guy" for president were voting for Edwards. I for one am an Edwards supporter and personally for obvious reasons the two candidates both have their faults. Hillary has too much baggage with her, and Obama lacks experience. Edwards' isn't endorsing either candidate because of the reasons stated above. I mean, clearly Obama can't carry the white vote.
In Iowa the was something like 95% white people... so I guess you are being sarcastic... ???

Experience means NOTHING if you have poor judgment... look at Hillarys vote for war, or Dick Cheney - he had the most experience in reasons NOT to go into Iraq, but went under poor judgment for either personal reasons or who knows why - the country (Iraq) NEVER attacked us in 911...

I work in the medical field and some doctors w/ a ton of experience make horrible judgment calls on things like ordering certain drugs because they will get kick backs when other drugs would work MUCH better for that patient - BAD JUDGMENT.... you can have ALL the experience in the world, but if your heart and mind are in the wrong place and you make bad decisions then you will not make a good or GREAT leader... we need to get away from the game of politics - stop playing the game. One candidate is trying to do just that - KICK OUT THE LOBBYIST !!!! Obama...

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Old 02-02-2008, 12:01 PM
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In Iowa the was something like 95% white people... so I guess you are being sarcastic... ???

Experience means NOTHING if you have poor judgment... look at Hillarys vote for war, or Dick Cheney - he had the most experience in reasons NOT to go into Iraq, but went under poor judgment for either personal reasons or who knows why - the country (Iraq) NEVER attacked us in 911...

I work in the medical field and some doctors w/ a ton of experience make horrible judgment calls on things like ordering certain drugs because they will get kick backs when other drugs would work MUCH better for that patient - BAD JUDGMENT.... you can have ALL the experience in the world, but if your heart and mind are in the wrong place and you make bad decisions then you will not make a good or GREAT leader... we need to get away from the game of politics - stop playing the game. One candidate is trying to do just that - KICK OUT THE LOBBYIST !!!! Obama...

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So you're telling me you would rather have a doctor with no prior experience verses a veteran doctor deliver your wife's baby? Bad judgement occurs less with well experienced individuals. This is an occurring pattern in history. Look at the presidents with little experience, analyze how well they did with presidents with a lot of political experience? You call it playing the game? I call it Black Panthers Vs. Feminists .

About the war comment, I'm sure right after 9/11 you were one of the ones rooting to go kick some ass. You can't go on to make such a statement about the vote for war when such events occurred within our nation.

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I believe that Edward's voters are more likely to vote for Obama because
a.) Obama better espouses the ideals that Edwards stood for
b.) Around 50% of Edwards voters stated they would NOT vote for Hillary Clinton.

I also believe that Edwards will endorse Obama either tomorrow or on Sunday and that an Obama-Edwards ticket would be a lock in the national election
Curious....how is an Obama/Edwards ticket a lock to win the general election? Edwards won't help Obama that much with the moderate and independent vote. I don't think he'll help Obama that much in the south either.
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I think most of them will vote. My guess is that their vote will split, somewhat in favor of Obama.
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I think Edwards for the most part will go to Obama.
I predict a Obama\Edwards ticket to run against the Republicans.
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Old 02-02-2008, 08:08 PM
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My guess is that Edwards will stay away from an endorsement of both Clinton and Obama with the hope that he will gain a prominent role in one of their administrations once they become President.

That said, I still think that the majority of his supporters will move over to the Obama camp. One of Edwards goals was to move government away from the old school thought of politics regarding lobby money and influence. (Not that this will ever truly be the case) And I think Obama is in the drivers seat, when it comes to having a fresh approach with new ideas, over Clinton.

I personally don't think a Republican candidate stands a chance this year. Record US debt, jobs lost, a poorly planned war in Iraq, possible recession, Oil Company record profits, politics of fear and no clear front runner all are signs of the end of a political era.
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So you're telling me you would rather have a doctor with no prior experience verses a veteran doctor deliver your wife's baby? Bad judgement occurs less with well experienced individuals. This is an occurring pattern in history. Look at the presidents with little experience, analyze how well they did with presidents with a lot of political experience? You call it playing the game? I call it Black Panthers Vs. Feminists .

About the war comment, I'm sure right after 9/11 you were one of the ones rooting to go kick some ass. You can't go on to make such a statement about the vote for war when such events occurred within our nation.
You are totally right on the doctors w/ out experience or anybody for that matter, but my point is that w/ out good judgment and a stance not to be bought out by lobbyist/special interest groups in the government - experience means NOTHING and that is all Hillary has got to go on as a difference to Obama and because she has been and will be bought out by lobbyist again, again, and again - if you like the same old stuff - Democrats against Republicans than she is the right one for you. By your very intellectually and unbiased comment on "Black Panthers Vs. Feminists" I can tell you don't like either... good for you.

To tell you the truth - I did not want to kick ass in Iraq - my brother did, he really thought there were WMDs, my sister was scared to death of the terrorist and still is - I think... which is just the way they want us to be and yes it is really messed up and scary the way the terrorist fight - killing them selves like crazy people, but I'm not scared of them... FUCK THEM !!!!

I wanted to KICK AL QAEDAS ASS - you know - the people who attacked us in 911. And I though that Iraq would take our eyes off of that and leave Afghanistan hanging like we did once in the past and looked like we were about to do that again - we are still there, but I feel like we need to focus more on that, but now it is really messed up in Iraq and I really don't know what to do about Iraq - I feel like we can't just leave now... ??? And I know that Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan, went into Pakistan once we went into Afghanistan and Pakistan has been where the safe haven for Al Qaeda has been at ever sense, then of course they followed us into Iraq, once most of the American people were scared to death of WMDs along w/ Hillary and many many other elected officials thought was the best place to go into - and even if I did think that we should have gone into Iraq, I would not hide it now - I don't need to hide the way I feel or think, I make mistakes all the time and do not hide my down faults - I'm just human like all of us and have a lot to learn about any/everything... but my point is Obama didn't buy that shit and that is just one reason why he is NOTHING like Hillary. And no I don't blame any one, especially the American people for going into Iraq, fear is the easiest way to control peoples actions and beliefs. Hell Dick Cheney had the MOST experience in why NOT to go into Iraq, as he said so him self in the 90s, but really bad judgment to go in there with out addressing all of the problems HE talked about in the 90s...??? May be it was for personal reasons - I don't know...

Judgment matters a lot !!!

What I'm really scared of is that the people of this country will all ways buy into the fear and spin that they shove down our throats. It is REALLY hard to get past it. And I am tired of the same old shit in Washington - it's broken and Hillary is part of the problem - she scares me because I feel like she is and will say anything just to get into office. If she wins the Democratic nomination - I think that she will take the Presidency, but I'm not sure if I'll vote for her... I'll have to see who's on the Republican ballot. That is just my opinion.



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Meh, John Edwards was the most likable out of any of 'em. I myself will rather vote for a conservative then to vote for Clinton.
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