Obama Appeals to Jewish Voters, Voices Support for Israeli Positions - Page 2 - Political Forum

superdude17* · 01-29-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazikli Bey

I do believe Iran would not mind negotiating, but your president has put in certain unreasonable requests before he decides to come to the table. So, whose fault is it for the non-negotiating?

i don't see how an agreement to stop enriching uranium, stop destabilizing Iraq by smuggling weapons across the border. I don't see that as algebra math. Just stop doing it and negotiations would occur. Unfortunately, the current President is unable to abide to UN Law.

Why are you defending Iran btw? Just wondering.

pedex · 01-29-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

obama wants to negotiate with terrorists. someone explain to me how that helps the israelis?

i call bull shit on this article.

the US pays TERRORISTS, sheesh, the US right now is paying Sunni insurgents for a truce

heck, it harps about Iran while ignoring Saudi Arabia and not only that but border security at home AND Iraq are responsibilities of the US yet its is either incapable of or doesn't want to live up to its responsibilities, either way its beyond stupid

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what creates terrorism, why is it people resort to that type of tactics? what would it take for you to sacrifice your life on purpose with forethought?

superdude17* · 01-30-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pedex

the US pays TERRORISTS, sheesh, the US right now is paying Sunni insurgents for a truce

heck, it harps about Iran while ignoring Saudi Arabia and not only that but border security at home AND Iraq are responsibilities of the US yet its is either incapable of or doesn't want to live up to its responsibilities, either way its beyond stupid

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what creates terrorism, why is it people resort to that type of tactics? what would it take for you to sacrifice your life on purpose with forethought?

saudi arabia isn't producing a nuclear bomb either.

Kazikli Bey · 01-30-2008, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

i don't see how an agreement to stop enriching uranium, stop destabilizing Iraq by smuggling weapons across the border. I don't see that as algebra math. Just stop doing it and negotiations would occur. Unfortunately, the current President is unable to abide to UN Law.

Stop destabilizing maybe, but enriching uranium? They have openly stated that they wanted to use it as a fuel source, not to create a bomb. But, if it is that much of a problem, why not have a middle man, someone who is with the uranium the whole way through, from when it arrives to when it leaves. I'm sure that's not out of hte question.

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Why are you defending Iran btw? Just wondering.

I hate hypocrisy on anyone's part, in this case, the US. Iran is no saintly country, don't get me wrong.

The Lying Dutchman · 01-30-2008, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by francois60

Israel hasn't tried to make friends? They've signed several peace agreements with Arab countries. I don't think Israel needs to prove their willingness to seek peace and friendship. It's the holdout Arab states and the Palestinians that have something to prove.

these peace agreements are not about friendly relations, their objective is a non-violent relation after the many conflicts that occured between israel and its neighbouring countries.

because of the continuous settling of jewish zionist in palestine territory they are making it hard for anyone to believe they are willing to engage in friendly relations.

francois60 · 01-30-2008, 08:46 AM

Well, fighting them hasn't worked too well, i mean, we're beating them but that doesn't stop the hatred or the spread of the ideology?

Israel is safer than many Western nations these days. I think they know how to fight terrorism. Our problem is that we don't do it right.

francois60 · 01-30-2008, 08:46 AM

because of the continuous settling of jewish zionist in palestine territory they are making it hard for anyone to believe they are willing to engage in friendly relations.

The settlements will stop as soon as the Palestinians sign a peace agreement.

The Lying Dutchman · 01-30-2008, 08:59 AM

no it won't. you don't understand the aim of the zionist settlers: they claim the palestine territory is theirs on a basis of religious grounds and will continue settling regardless of any peace agreement. you do remember how the israeli soldiers had to remove these settlers with violence many times? settlers dont obey israel.

saying israel is safer than many western nations is ridiculous, we cant compare to the amount of suffering from terrorism the israeli people have.

francois60 · 01-30-2008, 09:15 AM

Actually, the stats don't lie. Very few Israelis have died from terrorism in the last four years. The Palestinians have become powerless to hit them.

As for the settlers, see how far they get with a Palestinian government. Once Palestine is independent, settlers won't dare go there. Even the Jews that are there(and Christians as well) will be forced to leave.

The Lying Dutchman · 01-30-2008, 11:14 AM

i dont see israel recognizing an independent palestinian state in the near future, so that assumtion can only be proved if it ever occurres

very few israelis is still a more serious number than any western country. saying israel is a safe country is unrealistic, its a country building a wall around itself (literally and metaphorically speaking) and the paranoia that comes with this has only increased.