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Old 01-24-2008, 03:47 PM
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As for the Clintons turning Obama into the “black candidate” when he began as the “American candidate” honestly, it confuses the hell out of me. I mean I understand their strategy, but I don’t understand why in reality white people are less likely to vote for him because black people vote for him. I feel like I’m missing something here. The only thing that is clear to me is that the Clintons are the same dirty politicians, playing the same dirty games as they’ve always done. They're scandalous hypocrits, and I think they’re doing a great job reminding people what scum they are.
It wasn't about race before. I think the Obama camp does have to take some responsibility for making this about race. As Tim Russert pointed out, Obama's press secretary released 4 pages of comments insinuating that the Clinton's were racist. One of the remarks did have some viability as Hillary said this, in response to some issue with a rapper in 1992: "If black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people?" So I will say that it's not like Obama was totally innocent in this.

That being said it just goes back to smearing Obama to win. Bringing Obama down because Hillary cannot fly higher than him. As one journalist said yesterday on Hardball, the Clintons are "looking for any brick on the street to hit Obama with."
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If Hillary wins, I will vote for any Republican

That's fine.... but before you vote, you might want to check out the Republican platform. Here's the one for 2004.

http://http://www.ontheissues.org/2004_GOP_Platform.htm

If this agenda looks peachy to you, then enjoy 8 more years of Bush 2.







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That's fine.... but before you vote, you might want to check out the Republican platform. Here's the one for 2004.

http://http://www.ontheissues.org/2004_GOP_Platform.htm

If this agenda looks peachy to you, then enjoy 8 more years of Bush 2.


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Geee, thanks a lot, Bro. I've only been following politics actively for 4 years. I really didn't know what the Republican platform was. That changes everything.
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Clinton just gave a great speech today: "When you get married, if you're really lucky then your husband or wife becomes your best friend. "Hillary's my best friend."

Hillary is my best friend and I consider myself lucky to be married to her, that's why I cheated on her with AT LEAST 3 different women.




At least Jennifer Flowers looked alright. Clinton's wenching standards really went down later on.
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Well, in my opinion Obama "if he wins the primary" is going to have to get thicker skin.
Cause if he actually beleives he's the victim of abuse from the Clintons, the Republicans are watching this, if he shows weakness in the campaign for president the Republicans will not back off and play nice for a while they will be critisizing everyday and every way.
And speaches won't help him out there.
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Aside from the fact that Hillary has no character and is in and of herself a disgrace to the Democratic Party, aside from that, even if Hillary wins, the whole party will lose.

Hillary winning will help to expand the ranks of the Republican Party and they may very well return within 2 years after Hillary's election to take control of the House. Why would any person want to achieve a "victory" which paves the way for their defeat very shortly after their initial victory?

Ever since 2001, Hillary Clinton has been polling with an average 45% disapproval rating.

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Obama is in the low 30's. Edwards is in the mid 30's. No other candidate is as despised as Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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Old 01-26-2008, 01:54 PM
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I got nothing against Obama , in fact he's my 2nd choice Edwards is first.
I just don't want this election to become another "SWIFT BOAT" fiasco.
Bottom line In my opinion Obama is going to have to get tough. Obama has been debating with people that pretty much want the same thing he does,
The Republicans don't, and if he goes on National T.V. to whine about being picked on or to make another speech the
Republicans will tear him apart.just like they did Kerry.
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Obama is a noob. No doubt. Obama needs to do a lot of things to improve. We can say a few things about the Democrats if they nominate Hillary though. If the Democrats nominate her, it tells you a lot about how morally corrupt many Democrats are. Secondly, it will tell you how out of touch many Democrats are with reality, putting in a wildly unpopular candidate at a time when they have been yearning to win back the Presidency. That makes as much sense as sending out Steve Urkel to be your champion in a gladiator fight.

Third, Hillary Clinton's nomination is an absolute gift to the Republicans and will give them something to rally around and help them to put their party together again at a time when they are all very demoralized and confused.

Last, Hillary Clinton's nomination will cause growing Republican strength in following electoral cycles, starting as early as 2 years after she is elected.
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Old 01-27-2008, 01:13 PM
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Well, first of all I don't think Hillary will get the nomination.
I think what will happen is one of two things.
Either Obama gets the nomination with Clinton as Vice President, or Edwards
If Obama doesn't choose either Clinton or Edwards as VP, and if he don't get tough and start making comments instead of speachs America will have another Republican president.
Making speachs is fine ,but after awhile you have to start defending your character and your intentions.
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[quote=W.E.B. Du Bois;136488]Obama is a noob. No doubt.
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What's a noob?
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