How do you feel about Hillary? (public poll) - Page 8 - Political Forum

VoiceofReason · 01-27-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride

I believe the election of Hillary as president could set this country back 200 years...........

Ahhhh NP from DP..........................good to see ya bud!

VoiceofReason · 01-27-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Yarn

Hillary is a politico, but we could do much worse than her. She is highly intelligent and well intentioned.

Funny how there is little to show for this high intelligence she is suppose to have. Remarkably little to show.

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In so far as I have learned, she now admits that her vote for the 2002 resolution to give Bush the authority to commence an invasion of Iraq was mistake, but only in hindsight. She thinks she made the right decision at the time given the information she had. Now her position is for a troop withdrawal beggining within 60 days of her taking office.

Which shows why she simply does not have what it takes to be leader of the country especially in wartime. She can't really explain what it is that was different, what in hind site made her change her mind. That he didn't have some vats of ready to go WMD? Go listen to her statement, that was not major point, it was his desire to have them and his capability to produce them that was the bottom line. We knew he would pursue them once the sanctions were lifted, once Blix said he couldn't find anything and we could not let that happen. She was extremely decisive in her statements and they were based on her YEARS of EXPERIENCE. To see that she would not have been able to stand her ground but would have gotten shaky boots once the shooting started and casualties occoured shows she should never be commander in chief.

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The Hsu case for corruption seems weak. Being a fraudster, he was skilled at fooling people, and at any rate he was quite improximate to Hillary herself.

The seems to be one of the Clinton's favorite explainations for things that seem to just happen around them. Another good reason she shouldn't be the CEO of the country. She's is admittedly a very bad judge of character and is fooled a LOT by crooks.

Panamaniac · 01-29-2008, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

[b]You: c) Obama, not squeaky clean, was a party to shady alliances and occasionally talks out of both sides of his mouth, which she accurately pointed out.

Me: Pretty vague. Specifics?

If we examine Obama's present stances on the war, we find that he engages in doublespeak, calling for immediate withdrawal, while making the case for a smaller number of combat troops to occupy Iraq indefinately. In addition, he has repeatedly refused to take military options off the table against Iran. The reality is, Obama's foreign policy is virtually identical to that of Sen. Clinton

leo · 01-29-2008, 03:06 AM

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If we examine Obama's present stances on the war, we find that he engages in doublespeak, calling for immediate withdrawal, while making the case for a smaller number of combat troops to occupy Iraq indefinately. In addition, he has repeatedly refused to take military options off the table against Iran. The reality is, Obama's foreign policy is virtually identical to that of Sen. Clinton

I agree that thier stance is similar on many if not all of their views, but I feel that he is a much more honest person. Hillary breaks the rules that she sets, only when ever it is in her favor to do so... I feel like Obama knows that this election is not about him - but its all about us. I think Hillary just wants to win. Obama does not support lobbyist - Hillary does... and that really did come out of her own mouth in a debate. I believe that in that very same debate - it was stated that a lot of Bill Clintons old foreign advisers were now working under or w/ Obama - that says a lot to me.... why aren't most of them working w/ Hillary... ? But the most IMPORTANT difference between Obama and Hillary is - Obama will and wants to Unite America, not just a bunch of Democrats - but the UNITED States of America - once again... it's been way way too long... YES WE CAN.

Divided We Fail...

Caltex · 02-03-2008, 08:11 PM

VoiceofReason · 02-04-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by leo

Obama will and wants to Unite America, not just a bunch of Democrats - but the UNITED States of America - once again... it's been way way too long... YES WE CAN.

Divided We Fail...

Do you really fall for that line? NO candidate wants to divide America, but each has their policy's and principles. Which ones is Obama willing to give up to unite us? I don't want a socialist health care system, he does. So does he come to my side and unite?

VoiceofReason · 02-04-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Yarn

Hillary is a politico, but we could do much worse than her. She is highly intelligent and well intentioned.

Not much evidence of her "high" intelligence and her intentions are to be President no matter what.

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In partially skimming through this thread I found the adjective "Flip Flop" being levied against her as a consequence of her evolved position as to what our goals and actions ought to be in relation to Iraq quagmire.

In so far as I have learned, she now admits that her vote for the 2002 resolution to give Bush the authority to commence an invasion of Iraq was mistake, but only in hindsight.

No the is not what she is saying. She is saying now that the Authorization to Use Military Force did not authorize military force. It was suppose to just be a threat not an actual authorization to use force. Baloney.

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She thinks she made the right decision at the time given the information she had. Now her position is for a troop withdrawal beggining within 60 days of her taking office.

Yes, surrender when we have victory in hand.

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I personally find the term "Flip Flop" innane. Changing your mind when appropiate in light of new information and analysis is not being a flip flop, it is being wise. Criticize her views if you wish, but do not berate her for lacking stubborness.

What information changed? She supported her husband bill that made it our policy to remove the Saddam government which would have put us in the same position of having to support the fledgling Iraq government and providing security or was he going to just abandon them?

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The Hsu case for corruption seems weak. Being a fraudster, he was skilled at fooling people, and at any rate he was quite improximate to Hillary herself.

Amazing how all through her life she has used the same excuse. People seem to fool her a lot. A good reason not to put her in the Oval Office.

leo · 02-04-2008, 01:49 PM

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Do you really fall for that line? NO candidate wants to divide America, but each has their policy's and principles. Which ones is Obama willing to give up to unite us? I don't want a socialist health care system, he does. So does he come to my side and unite?

I agree NO candidate wants to divide American - I just believe that Hillary and some other candidate are much more polarizing than others... only speak to their party.

Obama doesn't want socialist heath care... where did you get that from. He wants to just make it affordable for everyone w/ the insurance companies and make it fair for everyone - big difference...

All so if you just look at his win in Iowa w/ the speech - I've NEVER seen more RED in the crowd (Republicans) for a Democratic candidate... looks like to the people who give every candidate a chance - I've looked at all of them as well as I can in the last yr or so - will see he is a UNITER. I'm not a Democrat or Republican - I've felt like the two parties fight like little children too much of the time and nothing really good gets done.... thats what I really mean by DIVIDED WE FAIL - to me it's what we've been doing for far too long. I really do think Obama is about ALL Americans not just one side - look for your self. I can tell you haven't because he is not for government mandated health care - just fair and reformed health care - I think we need and deserve that...

I really really hope you don't think I'm trying to fight w/ you because I really am not - I just see that we think just a little bit different, but I'm really sure that in the end we want the same fair things for ALL Americans and I hope that I've helped you see my point as much as you have helped me see yours... thank you and God Bless !!!

YES WE CAN

VoiceofReason · 02-04-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by leo

I agree NO candidate wants to divide American - I just believe that Hillary and some other candidate are much more polarizing than others... only speak to their party.

I agree Hillary is very polarizing, candidates speak to their parties, that's what they do.

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Obama doesn't want socialist heath care... where did you get that from.

If it walks like a duck....................................

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He wants to just make it affordable for everyone w/ the insurance companies and make it fair for everyone - big difference...

Through government mandates, through government regulations, through wealth transfer schemes...............................if quacks like a duck.

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All so if you just look at his win in Iowa w/ the speech -

Where he won the DEMOCRAT caucus not the Republican.

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I really really hope you don't think I'm trying to fight w/ you because I really am not - I just see that we think just a little bit different, but I'm really sure that in the end we want the same fair things for ALL Americans and I hope that I've helped you see my point as much as you have helped me see yours... thank you and God Bless !!!

If you support Obama we have little in common.

And just keep in mind when he says he is going to make things "affordable" that is NOT what he is going to do. Pumping more government money, other people's money, does not make it affordable, it just means someone else is paying for it and when that happens the suppliers of the service can then up their cost. That's exactly what has happened with college tuitions and what is Obama's plan, just send them more money. He doesn't understand economics or business and his judgement suffers for it.

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YES WE CAN

Empty slogans and platitudes sound nice, but it takes much more to run a country.