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Originally Posted by smallpox
And I'll lump together a bunch of unrelated countries in East Asia, take the worst of their media, and call it East Asian media. Deal?
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You certainly have the freedom to do so. Perhaps one day you can even claim credit for being the one who invented this, when and
IF it garners enough consent from any serious news outlet such as the New York Times, the Guardian or Die Zeit.
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Originally Posted by smallpox
Then whenever there's criticism, I'll demand explanation from China nationalists concerning what is seen in the news in Japan or North Korea. It would be much better for your cause not to generalized the opposition.
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First of all, have you ever seen me demanding explanation from the “western media” as a whole? Secondly, IIRC, the great majority of the protests staged by Chinese were calling for explanations or apologies from
specific media outlets or news commentators, e.g. CNN, BBC or Jack Cafferty. Your ill-constructed analogy simply doesn’t apply here.
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Originally Posted by LostInTranslation
…Just as I will call the collection of west-based media “western media”, and refer to those who made biased reports “some western media”.
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Originally Posted by smallpox
But you don't do that, you always say western media.
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I don’t know if it’s worth continuing our discussion here if you keep on making things up like that. This is directly quoted from my post
numero uno on this forum:
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… You may laugh at Syria that they condemned the looting, arson, beating and murder of innocent civilians by the "peaceful protesters" portrayed by some of the western media, but at least the Syrians did the right thing in denouncing these criminal acts and the blatant violation of human rights that the free world hold so dearly…
I would like to remind him that some of the misinterpreted pictures and deliberately distorted reports by some western media were around well before the Chinese government ordered (or advised depending on who you believed, I believed in "ordered") the foreign reporters to leave Tibet.
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You can find more evidences of my discretion in this very thread. For example, in my first response to your claim that “My whole point of saying I don't watch CNN was to show that there's no such thing as western media.” I said:
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Originally Posted by LostInTranslation
It existed long before the current standoff between Chinese netizens and some western media.
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Perhaps you need to check the fact before you post next time?
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Originally Posted by smallpox
Further you're still not responding to the futility of lumping all these into this contingency of a classification.
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What’s so wrong with lumping a bunch of media outlets in the west that made biased reports together and calling them “some western media” when we are discussing biased journalism? I can’t comprehend why you got so fired up that you had to use big red font to say “there’s no such thing as western media”. It’s really an eyesore. Furthermore, your numerous posts that lump all Chinese supporters here into some “creepy” Chinese nationalists or CCP apologists who “all say the exact same things, commit the exact same fallacies, have the exact same strategies to deviate from the main argument and are all incredible dismissive of criticism.” were among the worst of its kind (over-generalization, lumping, …)
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Originally Posted by smallpox
And I'm guessing you live in a Chinese city, in a well to do or at least better off environment. I lived in the Chinese country side, where the majority of the people in China live and where I can't even phantom the idea of the majority having internet access.
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Please allow me to point out the logical flaw in your argument above. Yes, as of today, the majority (barely) of the people in China still live in the country side. According to the
2007 Urban Development Report of China, the urban population in China is ~594 million. However, what you failed to take into account is that the majority of Chinese internet users reside in urban areas. Even IF none of the country side residents have internet access at home, it still wouldn’t invalidate the statistical data I showed earlier that only ONE THIRD of Chinese netizens access the internet by visiting internet cafes. Therefore, your argument that “MOST people access the internet that way (in internet cafes) in China”, based on your limited experience in China, is WRONG according to the statistics. Why is it so hard for you to realize that you do make mistakes or uninformed conclusions from time to time?
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Originally Posted by smallpox
35 million/ 1.3 billion? That's a horrible figure. Considering very few people have LAN phone lines to have dial up internet.
As expected, immediate impressions of China are failing compared to the actual figures.
Again, the user number vis-a vis the general population is pretty low.
Which collaborates to my argument that the majority get their information from one source.
But the censorship in China does limit the amount of information that people receive, which was the main point of the issue.
I can't tell the difference between sources if they're not allowed to deviate from the "main" source.
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“35 million (broadband accesses)/1.3 billion (Chinese population)”. Does this number support your argument that “most Chinese people surf the internet in cybercafes”? No, because you have conveniently chosen not to differentiate: (a) the number of broadband subscribers and the number of internet users; and (b) the population of China and the number of internet users in China (which was ~221 million as of last month). Factoring in the fact that each DSL or cable modem line is likely to be shared by multiple users, especially in China, where broadband access sharing is often not limited to family members, but sometimes also extended to neighbors; it doesn’t help with your argument at all.
Now, for the Nth time, I would like to remind you that I was not arguing whether the majority get their information from one source, or whether the censorship in China limits the amount of information that people receive, but whether there are multiple sources. Yes, or no, simple question. Changing subjects to justify an erroneous claim is futile.