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Old 05-10-2008, 07:44 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Well I can't prove you wrong in this case as that is your interpretation of the events.

I prefer to believe that Obama denounced his pastor because he genuinely didn't agree with the hatred that Wright espoused. I doubt that Obama secretly agreed with Wright and only denounced him to save political face as Wright (and apparently you as well) believe.

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If "change" ultimately means just getting somebody that we all can look back and say "who the Hell is he" then yeh, Oprahma is your guy.
I don't understand what you are trying to say there.

As for this liberal voting record, I have a number of counterarguements:

1) Obama has been in the Senate for just over 3 years. Any scientist will explain to you that sampling error is a real problem when enough data is not present.

2) Much of the legislation introduced in this 3 year period was a way for the new Democratic Congress to test it's strength against Bush. So much of the legislation was pretty much pro or contra Bush.

3) While Obama was ranked the 10th most liberal Senator in the 2007 study that many people often cite, Hillary was ranked 16th. Big difference?

4) Obama has a lot of experience working across the aisle for someone who has only been in the Senate for 3 years. He cosponsored an immigration reform bill with John McCain. He cosponsored a bill with Dick Luger, a Republican Senator, for conventional weapons control. He cosponsored a transparency bill with Tom Coburn, a Republican Senator.

5) According to another study, Obama is one of the most conservative Democrats in the Senate. Election 2008: Presidential, Senate and House Races Updated Daily

6) What makes you think Clinton or McCain will have any more success uniting Congress than Obama?
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