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Originally Posted by chaochao
"die hard", yes, i agree, i am die hard, I know the Bill of Rights, <权利法案>, i know western countries have more alleged democracy and human rights than we have now, but the situation has historical and current reasons, we are making efferts to do better!
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Good. And I support you in those efforts and wish you great success. And I also admit there is hypocrisy in Western countries, as their corrupt leadership is always seeking to destroy what freedoms they have in favor of more centralized control, and that is wrong.
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I know what you want to hear is that our gov is not good, socialism is not good,
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Your government is corrupt and, no, socialism (collectivism) is not good and does not create prosperity. Prosperity is created by human beings laboring in freedom. The Chinese (like all human beings on earth) need liberty, not more government control.
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i am sorry although our gov is centralized and they control many of political issues, i still support our gov, now only a centralized gov can keep China stable and united, if it is not the current CCP, there will also be an other CCP to get the regime.
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Your government is corrupt, but then so is the U.S. government is many ways. The difference is that a knowledgeable American can confront his own government in the legal system based on the freedoms guaranteed to them in the
de jure Republic under the Constitution. He or she may not win the case, but at least they have a chance, and they won't be killed for doing so. Whereas the Chinese cannot even publicly protest their government without risking longterm imprisonment and/or death.
You assume that any new government you could replace the current government with would be as bad as the CCP. That is a false assumption. A belief like that sounds defeatist in nature.
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When criticizing China, please think the problems on the stand of chinese views not just on western views.
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Libertarianism is not an exclusive Western view:
"A country may be governed with justice,
And a war may be won with cunning,
But people can only be mastered by following them.
How can this be known?
By looking!
The more people are controlled, the poorer they become;
The poorer they become, the more restless they get;
the more restless they get, the more forcefully they are restrained.
When people are forcefully restrained, their defiance becomes ingenious.
And the more ingenious their defiance, the stranger are the things that happen.
Now when strange things begin to happen, laws and regulations become stricter;
Then stricter laws and regulations mean more criminals and fugitives.
Soon everyone is either a criminal or a fugitive,
And no one can untangle the mess.
Therefore,
The sage does nothing and people govern themselves,
Provokes no one and people are peaceful,
Does not interfere and people prosper,
Is without desire and people fulfill themselves.
The more people are controlled, the less contented they become.
But when will leaders understand the significance of this?"
-- Lao Tzu, tr. Ray Grigg; stanza 57-58 (trad.), 20-21 (MaWangTui)