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Old 05-08-2008, 06:55 AM   #3 (permalink)
orange dave
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Originally Posted by smallpox View Post
How is liberalism a western value? It's a social axiom. Might just as well say all paper in the world is "Chinese", because it first originated in China long ago, or that all cars are German, because it originated from there long ago.
A better example might be the principles contained in Sun Tsu's Art of War. There is a good case to be made that they are universal, and in fact even the US military studies this book as part of their training. But despite their universal applicability this classic is still commonly referred to as "Chinese."

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That's a big over-simplification at best. First of all, it's not a religious war. ...
Wow, okay. I'm not even sure how to start here.

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Islam is not at trial, the only target here is on some extremist groups in the Middle East and a few states.
Is this actually the case, or just what you personally would vote for?

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Islam is still practiced by many in the US and any social stigma against the practice stems from under-educated individual opinions within America.
And these individuals get the right to vote, no?

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...Third, this has nothing to do with US relations to China.
Did I say it did?

On the other hand, prove to me that liberal principles have anything to do with US relations with China. It seems to me that the driving force behind most aspect of US-China relations is periodic calls for protectionism - and these often have little to do even with liberal human rights issues.

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The US (meaning the state) is not stuck on religious ideology, only some people within its border.
Okay, and these people happen to have an ideology that is religious in nature.

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I hate multicultural ideologies in the US. It's all a game of legitimacy and cultural isolation. Culture and religions don't have to be isolated. If Muslims want to call a mortgage a strawberry, then that's their freedom. There's no reason to say that there is a dominant imposing culture over others.
Do you really think the US is as open to Chinese ideas (um, ideas that originated in China) as China is to Western ideas?
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