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Old 05-08-2008, 04:43 AM
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So let me ask you. What does 'openness' will accomplish in China? Most people in China want to improve their quality of life like earning more money, getting better healthcare, and have better education for their kids. Will democracy do that?
Openness simply makes things more honest. It allows people within the society to be aware of what is going on. Freedom of the press and allowing an internationally accepted level of human rights would I believe result in a more fair society. I am absolutely sure you are right that everyone would like their lives improved, but you have said before you have no interest in the plight of people who are without education and have no food to eat. I don't understand this.

I think smallpox describes some reasons why openness and human rights would benefit people of China here.

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Second, the centralized authority just sees one thing; the greater picture of economic growth -- it does not preoccupy them much how many peasants and fisherman lose their water supplies, land and thus living, because they're in God knows where, can't really voice their opinions, can't vote against it, and the state is unaccountable for its action. Subsequently you have whole villages devastated for a few factories.
If only there was some way to determine if the new factory in the village would end up benefiting most, or harming most.......ah yes! vote on it. It won't mean a civil war, it'll just let people make the most rational decision for themselves.

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To have you to remind us that China is backwarded because it is not 'open' is consider rude because you don't know the social problems of China.
First of all I have never said that China was a 'backward' society.

I don't know whether I know the social problems in China more or less than you because you have never showed any concern about them.

I never write on anything I know nothing about. I have seen documentaries on the above issues which smallpox is talking about. Also on other issues within China. These documentaries talk to the people of China and I believe give a more balanced picture of China.

As Mikado has also mentioned, we have at the moment a series of programs on schooling in China and before that had a series on Tibet, so you are wrong to accuse me of not knowing anything.

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FYI, china is open. Millions of visitors go there for the first time.



Took me some time to find out what FYI china was, but I now know it is for your information.

Yes, people can visit China.
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However, for the others who haven't studies on Chinese culture see China with its 'angry' Chinese protesters, greasy msg filled chinese food or another Jackie Chan movie. So they don't understand it.

Well this is your assumption but has nothing to do with me. Of course I was very upset watching Tiananmem Square and I would question what kind of human being would not have been. We have however dealt with that. To equate that with the belief that I think all Chinese people are 'greasy msg filled chinese food or another Jackie Chan movie' belongs to your own imagination and has nothing to do with me.
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