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Comparing China to India is baseless as India has many of its problems as well, its just that it is not magnified by your biased western media. As Pug_ster has clearly indicated to you some of the problems that you choose to ignore, there are many other problems that they need to look at as well. The food prices are sky rocketting in the country and the inflation is rising to more than 7% due to shortages of food. It is also due to their so called liberacy, many of their projects that could benefit their people are not implemented or are slow in implementation. Choosing to ignore their problems and exagerate the problems China is facing will do no good and it does not show the maturity of your argument.
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Liberacy?
Anyways, their problems are economical. China has economic problems too (despite the CCP's best effort to ignore them). Food prices are increasing world-wide, including China. Inflation is not a case of democracy. The Federal Reserve or the Central Bank of the country is directly responsible for that. They decide the rate of inflation based on economic standings, it's not like their decisions are voted by anyone in the public realm. And inflation in moderation is good for creating employment. Considering India's surplus of labour pool, it's not a bad idea to have policies that create employment.
Further, the only reason I compared China and India was based on your generalized premises. Of course there are many problems in China and in India and they differ widely, but China has many more and they are "magnified" not because of population (since both countries have high population, according to your premise my comparison was fully valid). The only reason the CCP is targeted to such extents is because it is not elected. Solution, have elections.
Plus there's absolutely no telling the speed of economic growth. That is simply foolish at best. The market tells the economy to grow, not some central authority.
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If you keep arguing with me about the current position where US, Japan, Canada or any other developed nations for that matter, is more advanced than is China, you are just wasting my time. These are not up for argument. These are facts! China is developing now. I have to keep stressing this again and again and it is pointless for me to explain it more. What has passed are history, what are present are facts, the predictions are for the future. What you keep arguing is the present situation where there are no basis for argument. It is already a fact, that China is less develop than western countries. What I am trying to tell you is that China is working hard towards improving itself and be develop as you guys are and they are moving it right.
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I hate to bring this up, but you're the one that "started it" for a lack of a better phrase. Who said China is "comparable" to developed countries? I compare and prove that wrong, now there are no comparisons to be made
I know China is developing, I NEVER stated otherwise. Now THAT is a waste of time. But does it not make sense to develop the way that has proven successful. Is that not a fact?
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China has 1.3 billion people. view it here, People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia China has as of 2002, 90.9% (male: 95.1%; female: 86.5%) of the population over age 15 are literate. Lets take a modest 900 million of that population of over 15 years of age. close to 800 million of people are educated. Lets take another figure out of it, merely 1% are engineers. There would be more than 80 million engineers in China already much more than the population of few contries combined. If 30% of that population is very well educated, which is not impossible, over 200 million well educated citizen are already in China contributing. If you cannot see the bright future of this copuntry, I would have no more basis of arguing with you as you can shut your common sense and believe whatever you chose to believe.
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Was this a response to any of my posts? I'm utterly confused by what you're doing.
Yes, students in China get an education....censored by the centralized government and lacking analytical criticisms on top of lacking diversification of intellectual sources. There's a reason that Chinese credentials are not as widely accepted as credentials of other countries. There's a reason very few widely accepted academic papers come from China despite its giant student population. En bref, there's a lot more to education than literacy. People can read, that's great, now if only there wasn't so much censorship so they could read something substantial.....hmmmm.
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Democracy is not a clear one and only pill to cure all social deseases. Different country has different problems, culture, educational background and may view democracy differently. Let me give you an example. If majority of the citizen are in hunger and low educated, would you think it will blosom if democracy prevails? They are fighting and thinking of how to put food on the table and solve their hunger, and less would they think of whether their voices are heard. Take India for example. Their problems are already being stated and I do not want to further discuss on it. Another funny thought is that people like you can receive authoritarian from your bosses while you are at work but does not seem to take authoritarian socially even if the things done are right. To me, it all depends on results that show. In a company, the CEO is making its calls, has a common goal and force you to achieve them or you will be fired. You are not objecting it. It seems to me you guys are really contradicting to yourself.
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I never said democracy was the cure to all answers, but it is the only remedy from absent, lowly related central state policies by an elite class who can relate very little to every constituency, especially one that adds up to 1.3 billion over an area roughly the size of the US + include 37 + different minorities. Different cultures, different believes, different problems; all the more reasons for a decentralized state and people's involvement that will respond to each of these culture, believes and problems. I don't understand how you can admit that these issues of heterogeneity within society exist and yet advocate for a central government.
I don't think you need a BA to realise that pooling resources to irrigate more water into the fields will result in higher crop yields. A central government might not know that a village in Nigeria needs that, but surely the community affected would -- at least for their better interest. Of course, the problems aren't all like that, so even the more reason to allow those affected to have the final say, not some obscure elite in the capital that's probably never been there or mayby never heard of it before.
Your analogy between work hierarchy and governmental authoritarianism is pretty irrelevant. Biggest issue with such comparison; I have a choice of work, I can quit my job if I don't like how things are running. I can't fire an authoritarian government though. This provide a MAJOR accountability from both parties. Working for wages is a trade, whether you realize it or not. You have an interdependent relation with you boos. He needs you just as much as you need him. An authoritarian state on the other hand, has full bargaining monopoly. It needs you and if you don't like it, too bad.
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About singapore's past, it is already a history and you can check it through the internet without much explanation from me. And yes, there are many foreign direct investments flowing into the country to help it blosom. But it is not that the investment comes naturally. Singaporeans led by MM Lee Kuan Yew made the effort to mordernise the city and improve the law, transportation and ease of doing business that the investors are confident in coming to the country. They have transformed themselves many times over to suit the need of the society and world at large. By the way, MM Lee Kuan Yew is running the country like a corporate and is an authoritarian, something that is so bothering to you.
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Again, I'll refer to the sheer scope of size between Singapore and China and you'll see why there's absolutely no way China can get away with a Singaporean model. Singapore is a freaking city for God's sake, this only perpetuates my calls for a decentralized government. And like you said about India, Singapore has so many different issues and benefits that China does not have.