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Originally Posted by pug_ster
I don't see why India's democratization is so great. They have problems building highways because of beaucracy. The rail system in mumbai is horrific, an average of 11 people die in a rail system everyday. The literacy rate is 61%. The difference between the ultra rich and dirt poor is huge. I've always said that democracy does not fix social issues within the country and a big country like India is no exception.
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Yes, they have problems with some example of a highway and another rail traffic problem. That's a pretty far cry from the problems in China concerning democratization (+ the traffic problems in China). You said democracy does not fix social issues and you have been proven so wrong on all counts that you reverted to ignorance. If you think our previous debates would show any
proof against the social axiom of liberalism, you are quite mistaken. Plus democracy never fixes all problems, I never stated that, but many of the problems China has could easily be fixed by people's involvement within the government. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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Yes it is true that China have more farmers because as they use less machines that would've relied less on farmers. But I know that in the US they relied on migrant helpers or illegal immigrants to help them harvest and package food.
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What a pointless defensive argument. I does not deserve my attention.
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I agree with you on this one. China lacks creation of IP and brand recognition as they spend little money on advertising outside China. However, Chinese investors have to spend alot of money in developing their brand or buying others like Levono buying IBM's desktop and laptop line. However, many foreign companies are usually weary of China gobbling up their companies.
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IBM died long ago (the usual outcome of natural monopoly). But yes, China can develop its name and reputation like Japan did, though my comparison between China and the "west" is still very relevant despite the immediate progresses in China.
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Another problem is the lack of management who understand Chinese and Western style cultures. Many people who have been to the West just didn't come back, thus the brain drain that the China's best and brightest are not working in China. I also do think China should offer more cheaper or free Education to create the educated workers of tomorrow. China has to make incentives for Chinese overseas Nationals to come back to China.
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Here's a great incentive -- offering the same rights and freedoms as most countries throughout the world. I don't think free education is the solution though, paying for education filters the dedicated students from the others and encourages independent studies.
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Well, there's several people here who always said that democratization of China is necessary today and yet many Chinese, including Lee Kuan Yew, believe that economic and social progress is more important than democratization.
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Lee Kuan Yew is Singaporean, not Chinese.
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a) Nobody knows that it is sustainable in the long run, but they are working oin it. IE, working with Africian countries to secure natural resources, working with foreign companies to invest in it, and even if there's a global recession, they can always use its excess money to create jobs to build in its infrastructure.
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Saying nobody knows what development is sustainable is suggesting that there has yet to be post industrial development, while that is completely false.
What is sustainable is letting those affected the most decide what is sustainable or not for every micro examples of it happening -- thus votes by the population.
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b) I don't see there's an issue with democratization and capitalism for China, they are able to do it for such a long time. And Yes, I think they can do more than just manufacture stuff.
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You don't see an issue concerning the fact that a government is not accountable to the people? You don't see an issue that local issues aren't dealt with? You don't see an issue at directed policies by a central power that relates little to the people but somehow makes policies for the latter?
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c) I don't think they are resistant to liberal changes, at least on the non-political front, as there are already some resistance from the Western Countries to hinder them to grow. Hopefully things will change
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What of this very article? What of all you apologists opposition and the CCP opposition to elections? You have no reason to oppose a working system other than national pride. This is made evident by the "Beijing consensus" or doing it "Chinese style"
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True, but changes in China as China is much bigger than Sigapore, changes won't reach countryside until much later than the rural areas.
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They're not only bigger, they're much different.