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Old 05-07-2008, 12:21 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Doctor Webley View Post
Straw Man. Izzy, you're missing the point of bododie's argument.

He isn't arguing that the "nigger" is worse than "cracker", he's arguing that
Black people can say a certain word "scott free", and if White people were to say that word, people are offended (often to the point of legal action).
I'm not missing the point at all.

I'm explaining that black people CAN'T often say a word scott-free. It may appear that way in media world, but that's not real life. Non-whites are punished for racism in the real world just as often, if not more than whites.

And the words being used are important. "Cracker" simply does not hold the same weight OR have the same history as the word "nigger". White people can say that "cracker" is as offensive as "nigger" all they want but it is not true. Looking up the history, usage and origin of the words will tell you that.

Like I said... if I walked up to my mom and called her a jerk, I think she would be a LOT less offended if I walked up to her and called her a bitch or a cunt or whatever other wonderful mixes and matches of words I could come up with. The words matter.

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I don't see the 1st Admendmnet holding up when one group of people can say something deragatory and that's OK, and when group B says the same thing, they are attacked.
Like I said... come up with some words that are equivalent to the racist terms that people have come up with for non-white races and we will have a case here in terms of what is deemed acceptable in hollywood and whatnot (where you see all of the drama happening). In real life, you can't call your boss a "a fucking cracker" and get away with it if you're black just like you can't call your boss "a fucking nigger" and get away with it if you're white.

There is no double standard. The words might not mean the same or have the same origin but if it's deemed racism you will be punished in the real world whether you are black or white.

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And yes, anti-white racism is under represented. Just look at Jena 6. Both groups, White and Black, got off easy. But the Black students more so, the crime they commited (second degree battery) was not defined as race related. The battery was as race related as the noose hangings.
There is a lot more to that case than you presented in this short paragraph. There were instances where white students pulled shotguns on black students and were not punished. There were instances where white students beat up black students and were not punished. The white students were also not punished for hanging the nooses up in the tree in the first place. The black students beat up a white student and they were punished. They were OVERLY punished.

No one is arguing that what the black students did was right. They should not have beat up the white student. Not at all. But when you look at the history surrounding the incident and notice a complete imbalance.. THAT is where the racism comes in. The injustice in that case is that the whole situation could possibly have been avoided entirely if people had done the right thing in that town/school district and nipped the problem in the bud. Instead they allowed the hatred to blossom and turn in to a big pile of crap for the whole country to smell and weigh in on. They were going to punish those boys unfairly and instead of having to face up to the problems in their town they were just going to throw another bunch of young black males in prison on exaggerated charges and move on with their lives.
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