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Originally Posted by GoChina!
yeah liberal reforms by looting and burning innocent people and cutting their ears.
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They wouldn't need to resort to any of this if there was an electoral system in place and freedom of speech. Dissidents would reach their goals through verbal and intellectual means.
I didn't hear about anyone getting their ears chewed out during the 1995 Quebec referendum.
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and your model, is for a tiny number of western countries. it has done nothing for this world but make the bad worse.
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It's for everyone. Even China can't evade liberalism, at least economically speaking so far. It is a social axiom that applies to everyone. Inter state wars, genocide, poverty, have ALL went down since the end of the Cold War everywhere in the world (except Sub Sahara Africa in certain aspect -- that's a different story) and the start of widespread liberalism. You're either a liberal society, reforming to a liberal society or North Korea. That is the world we live in right now.
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you dont have to take what CCP states seriously, do you? just like we dont take what Bush states seriously, as long as it does not concern China.
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What Bush says is a LOT more influential than what Hu Jing Tao says. Because Bush is elected, he represents the American people. Hu Jing Tao represents 50 or so million CCP members (even then, only the National Assembly gets to vote on the presidency, if memory serves me well -- further reducing the number of those involved in making Hu Jing Tao legitimate).