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Originally Posted by pug_ster
Most Chinese are 'nationalistic' about 5 things that I could think of
1) the Lhasa incident - There were images Tibetan Monks burning, looting, and killing Chinese people and business and the Western Media was sympathetic towards the Tibetans instead. In Addition, the Western nations complain to China about the 'human rights' thing when the Chinese know that they have been treating Tibetans better than 10-20 years ago. They know that it is far from perfect.
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It's not true. The free media were not sympathetic towards the Tibetans rioters; they were trying to do their jobs! We all know this world is far from perfect.
To put your claims into perspective, I'm sure your linking of this offending add, can only be related to the "Observation On Chinese People's Attitude" thread.
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3) The whole western government threaten to boycott the olympics. As most Chinese people that this boycott hurts themselves and not the Chinese government. Many people say that China shouldn't get the olympics, but FT.com - Olympics chief tells west not to hector China as China did open China, but not up to the standards that the West wanted...
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I don't think "The whole western government* threatens to do anything, since it does not exist; otherwise I guess George W. Bush would have said he would boycott the Olympics, but you said yourself that he hasn't. Doesn't he look like a cowboy enough to be part of anything western? Some other heads of states have already talked, and some others are still talking; but I do agree with you on this: what Bush said was right!
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4) The Jackassity remarks by Cafferty. Here in the US, whenever someone said someone offended Black people, there is heavy pressure for that guy to quit, especially by politicans. As for Cafferty, he just said he was referring about the Chinese government, but the whole remark offend Chinese people themselves. Worse of all, the politicans and CNN want to distance themselves out from this issue.
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I can understand them; I'd probably do the same. I told you, I don't think what Jack Cafferty said is important in regards to racism, especially if he was referring to the government. On the other hand, you're saying that when someone speaks on TV about governments, a remark offends Chinese people themselves then they become nationalists. Do you mean TV could be bad for Chinese? Idem; I can understand why some people in the US are *pressured* to avoid racist remarks towards African-Americans, especially by politicians.
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5) The Jin Jing incident in Paris. You have to be really low to attack someone in a wheelchair... From what I heard the French newspapers didn't really disclose this incident.
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I don't read French newspapers often enough to contradict your claim. I think they are basically low-quality, sorry. I can tell you that I have heard a lot on the web about the Jin Jing incident; and that I'm sorry again.
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If only one of the events above happened, most Chinese probably wouldn't care, but these 5 events came around at the same time would anger alot of Chinese people, especially alot of expats living abroad reading this stuff. The Western Media doesn't seem to care what they say anyways. Why else would they protest, even holding the communist flag that they do not care about until recently.
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Ok, so that makes 5 events. Then, another reason, I guess, to become nationalists. Simple algebra! You already said it's all a western media stuff. Can you break on through and ask yourself why this couldn't be a PRC stuff?
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I thought the response by these 'nationalists' was justified in some parts but not by others. Protesting about the Western Media, 'protecting the torch', CNN, 'free tibet,' Dalai Lama seems to be just. However, there are other things that is done by the China 'Nationalists' which is probably not just:
1) Carrefour - Me and alot of other people didn't think it was right because carrefour wasn't directly helping the Dalai Lama, as one of the shareholders are doing it. I think they are more angry about the French government naming the Dalai Lama and Hu Jia as honorary citizens and the Jin Jing incident... Despite the amount of people who showed up for the protests there were alot of people, including the media asked to quell down this revolt.
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Then if it's all about being France's honorary citizens, let me tell you that I personally think it's a lot of people, including Michael Jackson & Britney Spears, maybe... It shouldn't be any worry.
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2) There was a Chinese student in Duke U, Grace Wang, who was pro-tibet and received death threats among other sad things. She may be brainwashed, but she doesn't deserve that kind of treatment.
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I have heard of that incident in Duke U; and it made me sad, too.
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3) There was also anonymous death threat to a Cornell U professor Kathryn March who was going to show a film Tibet not part of China.
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Never heard of it; but I'm no specialist, only read basic news.
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4) Lastly, I thought the torch relay in South Korea got really ugly, which is probably why incident was censored in China.
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I knew not it was censored; but it's no good news either.
EDITED: I've almost forgotten to tell you that I've liked your link to the FT: I've found the article's title interesting: "Olympics chief tells west not to hector China". Haha, if you want to know the name of my favorite hero, it's Paris!