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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois
To heap praise upon praise upon the Founders and then totally trash and discount one of the principal founders of the Constitution, shows that one does not actually value the founders at all.
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Straw Man. I am not "heaping praise upon the Founders." I am discussing their words and, more importantly, their actions. To deny that Alexander Hamilton's positions were at odds with almost all of the other Founders is to deny the truth. Ample evidence has been presented. You have refused to address it.
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That's a pretty hypocritical remark coming from someone who not only cherry-picks the comments made by the founders, but the actual founders themselves.
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I've cherry picked nothing. I'm fully willing to discuss any aspect of any quote I've posted. The quotes and actions are all valid and relevant. Later quotes trump earlier quotes. And actions trump words.
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You disregard not only the comments that are inconvenient for your political agenda, but also the actual founders themselves (Hamilton) when inconvenient.
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Straw Man. There is no "political agenda" involved. There is only the truth of the matter at hand.
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You now are saying that my source is invalid because it's a teacher's resource, and teachers are government employees and the government conspiracy theory makes it all lies.
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Straw Man. Yet another mischaracterization. Now you're just arguing ad nauseum. I stated there was a conflict of interest with the source, and that's true. That in and of itself does not invalidate the source, nor did I claim it did. That's why I presented other facts to prove that the information was invalid.
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You've basically invalidated everything you've said as nothing more than paranoid conspiracy theories. You can rest on your conspiracy theories,
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Appeal to Ridicule.
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I'll rest on the words of the founders: Madison, Hamilton, Washington and other constitutional delegates who advocated and built a standing army.
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And you'll obviously have to ignore all the words and actions of the Founders and facts I presented which refute this...
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They trump your claim about the Founders opposing a standing army,
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No, they don't - because they were in the minority. You were the one relying on the authority of "the father of the Constitution."
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which has been shown to be false.
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No it has not. Your assertion is false.
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Also, given that Madison supported and personally ordered the growth of the standing army to fight the British
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Again, after the war ended, his support of a standing army was not pursued. He reiterated his support of the militia in his state of the union speech in 1815.
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Your claim about Jefferson is ignorant. Jefferson was in Europe during the Constitutional Convention.
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Straw Man. My only claim is that Madison respected Jefferson and his views. My claim is that they were members of the same political party, shared a similar political philosophy, and mutually respected each other's views.
No, you are wrong on two counts.
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If the quote refutes itself, then you are saying that a founder is wrong, which runs contrary to your deification of them.
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Straw Man. I've made no deification of the Founders. I've already stated any failure to see into the future is denied to any human being. Therefore, this is another invalid comparison.
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Even if you're right, you're wrong. Secondly, Washington relied upon both the Continental Army and militia, so you haven't shown that America prevailed due mainly to the strength of the militia (as opposed to a strengthening army and support from the French).
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But...neither can it be used to disprove the strength of the militia. So why are you presenting it as evidence of such?
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One thing we can consider is that your comments are conspiracy theories. That essentially shows that you believe in Illuminati-style conspiracy theories.
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Again, an Appeal to Ridicule fallacy.